Owen Moy (Moye) born 1836 in Ireland

Pamela:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

Most Moys in the mid-19th century were either in Kilteevoge, Inishkeel or Conwal civil parishes. Carrickalangan is in Conwal parish and when I checked the 1857 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Conwal parish, there was a John and Michael Moy in Carrickalangan presumably one was the father of Owen. However, neither of Owen's sons was named John or Michael! So it looks like the family emigrated sometime after October 1862? No church records exist even though the Conwal RC records start in 1853. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/conwalgv2.htm

Where did you locate the three birth/baptismal records?

Roger McDonnell

Roger this is so exciting.  I'll provide more information shortly - my Uncle Mike says that we were from Kilteevoge or Inishkeel. We could never get very far so your assistance is wonderful!  

Roger, I am Uncle Mike.  We have amassed a number of newspaper articles that give us family history in addition to research on Ancestry.com  Through that research I have become skeptical of source data concerning dates of birth (often guessed) and ages.  Some of the mistakes are transcription errors, others perhaps intentional.  One relative remained 39 years old over two decades. (shocking, I know.)

Let me embellish on my niece's post.  First, we aren't fortunate enough to have latched on to birth or baptismal records. Except for Jeremiah's birthdate of 10/29/1862 which is shown on his death certificate, the other birthdates are only approximate. A couple corrections to the information you have so far.  I believe Jeremiah, Anna, and Hugh were all born in Donegal.  The mention of Jeremiah being born in County Cork is most likely an error from an Ancestry posting.  Also, Hannah and the kids arrived in New York, New York on 7 Jun 1869 according to the Iowa ship manifest.  Their point of departure was Glasgow, Scotland.

I have recently discovered a newspaper death notice of July 20, 1896 for Owen Moy, which reads in part  - "Owen Moy, one of the pioneer residents of Hazle township died at Harleigh Saturday…  Deceased was aged 57 years over 40 of which were spent in this region.  He was the father of Hugh Moy… Another son Jerry of Lattimer and Annie of south Dakota, survive him."

Thank you for your quick reply.  We have yet to be able to make a definitive link to any of Owen's or his wife Hannah (Nora) Ward Moy's families in Ireland.  Hannah's father's name was also Jeremiah.

Mike/Pamela:

Below are links to the 1857 Griffiths for Inishkeel and Kilteevoge and the parish registers for Kilteevoge RC and Glenties (Inishkeel) RC. Since Owens' oldest son was Hugh, I would have expected his father to be Hugh. The Griffiths for Kilteevoge shows a good number of Moy records including a Hugh Moy and a Hugh Jr. Moy. However, the RC records for Kilteevoge (Cloghan) start in late 1855 go to April 1862 (followed by a gap until 1870). If the family was from Kilteevoge then you would expect that Roots Ireland would have an 1859 baptismal record for Hugh Moy son of Owen but there is no record. This moves me to then look at the Griffiths records for Inishkeel which have five Moys including an Owen in Meenachuit townland. This could be your ancestor if he was born in 1836 as Pamela indicated in her note. The obituary likely understated his age. The other item to note is a Jeremiah Ward in the Griffiths for Inishkeel which could be the father of Hannah (Nora).

Reaction? Also, Mike should consider autosomal DNA testing to see if you can match up with any Ward or Moy connections. Pamela can test also but the older the person the better for closer matches.

Roger

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/donegal/inishkeel.htm

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/donegal/kilteevoge.htm

http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1009  http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1015

Roger,

Scrolling through the Kilteevogue file I find that a Hannah Moy was a sponsor for the baptism of Edward Moy born in 1855, son of Michael(?) and Catherine Moy.  This early page is a little difficult to read and the month and day are cut off, but since it is the first page, the year must be 1855.  There are several Moys born in later years in Kilteevogue but none that might match what we already know.  Relatives, though, probably.

Another place name that has come down to us that I didn't mention is Glashagh Beg in Kilteevogue.  The 1901 census still had a number of Moys living there.  In one instance a Hugh Moy is cited as being married to a Mary Ward.

Our Hugh Moy had three sons whom he named Eugene, John, and Francis. Jeremiah had sons named Eugene, James, and John.  Anna had sons named Eugene, Hugh, Daniel, and William. (She married a Daniel Scanlon here in the U.S.)  Eugene and Owen seem to be closely related names and from what I understand, the same person can be called either Owen or Eugene. I have learned also that Darby is a nickname for Jeremiah.

I feel we are close, and still think Kilteevogue and Inishkeel hold the key, but as yet there is no definitive source link.  Still, I thank you for your help and references.

Mike

Mike:

Yes. Owen and Eugene are closely related and Darby is a nickname for Jeremiah. Another one is Bernard and Bryan which I have in my family. Let me know if I can assist further.

Roger

Roger, You have been very helpful already. I notice that we can also post in specific communities. Is it possible to cross reference posts?  In other words, can I move this thread to Kilteevoge and Inishkeel, or copy the thread and paste it there? My thought is that people who go to those specific communities may have some information also.

Mike

Mike:

Yes. I would do two new messages, one for each parish. Suggested language below. Just so you know all messages whether they are posted in a parish or just a general message, all end up on the main message board. You will see me comment on your messages to explain that they are not new messages per se. Otherwise, our system will think they are messages that did not get a reply-- we do followups on messages that did not get any reply. Hope this makes sense.

Roger

I previously posted on the general Ireland XO message board about my Moy and Ward families. See link below. Based on additional research, I believe that my families came from either Inishkeel or Kilteevoge parishes. If you have connections to my Moy or Ward families, please let me know.

Mike

Cool. Done. Thanks.

Hello Roger,

I've following this post. As we previously discussed,I'm also zeroing in on Kilteevoge on the Duffy and Callaghan families. When did Kilteevoge become Cloghan? Why is Kilteevoge referred to as Cloghan? Just curious.

Thanks

Bill Duffy

Hi Bill!

Cloghan is a small village in Kilteevoge civil parish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloghan,_County_Donegal  Here is the link to the parish register from the 19th century and you can see the variant names for the parish were Cloghan and Glenfin. Likely there were chapels in these areas. The current parish is known as Glenfin but also mentions Kilteevoge and Cloghan.

http://www.raphoediocese.ie/component/diocesandatabase/?task=group&cid=…

Roger

Remakably the grand daughter of Daniel Scanlon and Anna Moy is still living - just turned 96. 

Would be great to learn if any photos exist of Daniel Anna or any of that generation of the family.

Kind Regards,

Christopher

Dear Christopher - so exciting to hear some new information.  My Aunts and Uncle Mike and I have been researching for many, many years and find ourselves at a deadend when we get to Anna Moy/e's parents Owen Moy and Nora (Hannah ) Ward.  We are hoping that the great granddaughter and/or her family can fill in some of the missing pieces.  

Check out this link for Werelate.org where I have the information that we know to date: 

http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Anna_Moye_%281%29

Thank you so much for reaching out! Is there any way I can contact them or even go visit?  Please advise.  

Hi Pamela - I forwared your info to Kathleen (grandaughter of Anna Moy). 

I asked Katlhleen what she rembered of Anna Moy as I think Kathleen may have lived with her for a few years prior to Anna Moys passing in Denver in 1930's.

There might be value in the DNA test for Kathleen as I suspect but dont know that she is the oldest living direct Moy descendant.

Kathleen has been kind and generous with her time in responses to my many questions on the family history.

Fortunately - she is available on facebook and email.

I sent you a request on fb and will see what we can do so that you and your unnle might be able to ask her any questions directly.

Please let me know if you happen to have the name of the ship/passenger manifest for when the Moys arrived in the usa. I haventt been able to find it yet from the earlier date/referenced.

Kind Regards,

--Christopher 

Christopher - please resend the facebook invite, I may have deleted it not realizing it was you!  

Christopher,

Nora (Hannah) Ward Moy arrived here with Anna, Hugh, and Jeremiah on the Iowa, on 7 Jun 1869.  Through some sleuthing, I have discovered that Darby is a nickname for Jeremiah, hence a little confusion at first.  Owen, Hannah's husband is a bit more of a challenge.  I found an Owen Moy arriving on the Guy Mannering on 20 Dec 1860, but that date conflicts with some references to the ages shown on the Iowa manifest.  Still, you may also have discovered that dates found on some records can be misleading.

Thank you for the references to Kathleen.  My niece and/or I will look her up on Facebook and see what we can discover.  Your lead may be just the ticket to unlocking a connection directly with someone in Ireland.

Thanks for the info on the ship Mike - I was able to find Anna Moy and Hanna on the passenger list of the Iowa as a result of your help.

Do you happen to have a link for any pictures or postcard drawing of the SteamShip Iowa?

I havent been able to find an image of the ship and would like to share with Kathleen.

The limitied info so far shows it may have been renamed from Iowa to Macedonia and sank in 1881.

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=iowaa

Kathleens daughter is helping her write up some of her memories of Anna Moy and they are checking for any pictures.

They confirmired Kathleen does remember Anna Moy as she lived with her in Denver for a few years in the 1930's.

Christopher - Uncle Mike and I really would like to connect with Kathleen - can you help me with that?  

Hi all! I've been doing some research and landed here. My grandmother's grandmother Nellie was Jeremiah's (Jerry) daughter. I found the pages on WeRelate where she is listed as Elizabeth/Helen (1887 to 1977). In Jerry's obituary, she is listed as Mrs. John Reilly but they mispelled Riley. I've also had some trouble finding more information on Jerry's wife Mary. On the 1910 census she is listed as Mary E. I've also found conflicting information on whether her name was Brislin or Breslin. On WeRelate, her parents are listed as James Brislan and Mary Lockman, but other research has come up with Mary McHugh (1830 - 1886) and Charles Breslin (1826 - 1894). Does anyone happen to know where James Brislan and Mary Lockman came from?

Unfortunately, I don't have any more information to add, but it's great to see all of the information gathered here concerning Anna and Jerry's history!