Very interesting article on Edmond McKenna, and I feel for sure he must be a family relation of some kind. My family is from Ogonneloe Parish in County Clare as well. My 3X great grandfather was Lot McKenna, and his wife was Mary Maguire. His son, Thomas, and his wife Sarah, gave birth to my great grandmother Margaret (Maggie) McKenna, who came to the US around 1900. It seems unlikely that we wouldn't be related - either way, he seems to have been a truly compassionate human being.
EDMOND (EDWARD), MCKENNA was born in Ballyloughnane, Parish of Ogonnelloe, District of Scariff, Co Clare, Ireland and was baptised on 5 July 1855. He was the 3rd child of Michael McKenna and Anne St Laurence of Ballyloughnane, Ogonnelloe. He and his brothers James and Michael came to NZ and Edward and James arrived an d settled in Patea, New Zealand in 1873. Edward married Bridget (Agnes)Reynolds from Co Sligo in Patea, NZ, on 12 February 1895. They had ten children: Edward was for many years a valued official on the Patea Borough Council and hid brother James was twice Mayor of the town .
Edward died on 14 August 1926 and his obituary in the Patea Mail in 1926 reads: "We regret to have to record the death of still another of the rapidly diminishing band of pioneer settlers in this district in the person of Mr E. McKenna, who passed peacefully away at the local hospital on Friday. The deceased arrived in the district some 50 years ago, and was for many years a valued official of the Borough Council, having charge of the roads, streets and footpaths of the borough, relinquishing those duties a few years ago to enjoy a well earned rest. Possessed of an exceptionally happy temperament with a good word for everyone he naturally made for himself a host of friends, who will deeply regret his demise. One of nature's gentlemen, with a desire to help all with whom he came in contact, his death will leave a big gap in the ranks of the old settlers of the district. He is survived by Mrs McKenna and his family of 3 sons and 7 daughters, to whom we extend our deepest sympathy in their bereavement. The funeral took place at the local cemetery, a large number attending to pay their last respects to the deceased."
Edward is buried in the Patea Cemetery along with his wife Agnes, who died in 1945, a month after their youngest child John returned home from his World War II service..
|Date of Birth||5th Jul 1855|
|Date of Death||13th Aug 1926|
Sue KenneySunday 13th January 2019, 11:10PM
Hi Sue, thanks for getting in touch.
Unfortunately I never knew my Grandfather Edmond McKenna (Known in NZ as Edward). He died in 1926 at 71 years of age. I wasborn in 1938, the eldest son of his youngest child John McKenna.
In my research I have come across the name of Lot Kenna / Kinna in Ogannolloe. A Lot Kinna appears in two places in the Tithe Applotment books
I first came across Lot in the Griffith Valuation of Tenementss for the Townland of Ballybroghan Ogonnelloe. (Our Thoas was in Ballylaghnane) and iin the Tithe Applotment books for Ogonnelloe - as Lot Kinna in Ballybroghan, Ogonnelloe and found another Lot Kinna in Ballylaghnane.
Ballybroghan and Balllaghnane are next door to each other.
I have been unable to find any other information on my Thomas. I do not know his birth (est 1795) or death dates or to whom we was married. We visited the area in 1997 and climbed the hills above Ogonnelloe village to whatt we called the Hill Cenmetery and found the graves of my great GF and great GM. We could not find a grave for Thomas. Many of the stones were unreadable. I do know that Thomas was my great grandfather Michael McKenna's father (Clare Heritage Centre helped me with this base don land lease ownership info.).
In my view we will be related, but its probably impossible to see how we are connected. Some years later a cousin visited Ireland and found a record of a a Lachlan Kenna being transplanted from Monoghan to Ogonnelloe in about 1640, He may well have been the first of our ancestors in Ogonnelloe. If that is the case our connection goes back a long time
KevinMonday 14th January 2019, 02:35AM
I had a similar experience when I went to Clare with my husband and my brother in August of 2016. A very helpful man from Ogonelloe parish, Michael McNamara, helped us trace the family history a bit (we're from Bally Broghan) and took us to the cemetery you describe. It was a bit of a climb in the middle of a large grassy, muddy, and hilly area, with scattered bunches of cows dotting the countryside. I was surprised to see the small, stately little cemetery in the middle of all that lush greenery! Michael even took us to the old family homestead, which I recognized from pictures that my grandmother had. A Dutch gentleman had bought the property and was very gracious in permitting us to have a look.
I have been told that Lot McKenna died at 102 years of age. He was married to Mary Maguire. They had 8 children, all born in Ballybrohan: Ellen (4/8/1832); Mary 5/4/1834; Honora (31/3/1836); Bridget (22/6/1838) Judith (15/4/1841); Tom* my great-great grandfather (15/10/1843); Margaret (23/6/1848); and Patrick (26/3/1854). Tom/Thomas McKenna married Sarah Cleary (Clery?). They had 9 children, although I'm not sure all of them survived to adulthood. At least one may have died as an infant, shich is why some have the same name. Sarah died of "malignant disease" (cancer) when she was 44 years old. Among their children was my great grandmother, Maggie (Margaret) McKenna. Here are those children's names and dates of birth, all born in Ballybrohan: Mary (2/1/1868); Ellen (4/9/1869); John (27/2/1871); Mary* I think she was Margaret Mary, or Maggie, my grandmother's mother, (8/2/1873); Judy (11/2/1875);Tom (7/6/1877); Honora 7/6/1877)*twins!, and Honora 26/05/1880. Five of these siblings came to the US around 1900, although not together. I believe they came one at a time.
I don't know that this helps at all, but suffice it to say, we seem to have a connection. It's quite lovely to think that we may cast our filial line as far back to the 1600s in good old Ogonnelloe! : )
Sue KenneyWednesday 16th January 2019, 01:07AM
Thanks Sue. Hope I've got the format better this time.
Yes - it was well worth climbing the hill to the cemetery, taking in the marvellous views to Loch Derg, and then finding the graves of my great grandparents Michael McKenna and Ann McKenna nee St Laurence. Their children were Thomas, 1848, Michael 1853, Edmond 1855, James 1857, Ellen 1858, Mary Anne 1860, Ellen (again) 1863, Denis 1865, Ann 1867 and Timothy1869. Dates came from the Church Baptismal records. Thomas, the eldest son, inherited the farm, which also had great views to the Loch, from Micharl and passed it on to his John. who passed it to his daughter Maura. The next three sons, Michael, Edmond and James all emigrated to New Zealand in about 1873. The farm remained in the family hands until 1997. The sale was completed the day we visited the farm and explored the old cottage my grandfather grew up in. . We called in at St Mary's church just up the road and was told by a man of the sae of the farm and that Maura and her hsuband John were were being farewelled that very evening at the Piper's Inn. So we went along and received an amazing reception when it became known who the two strangers in the pub were. A great night meeting many previously unknown relatives.
Your Lot lived to a great age . His children were a generation earlier than my grandfather so Lot was contemporary with my great great grandfather Thomas . Who knows - they may have been brothers,
I had had a DNA done by My Heritage. If you have ever had yours done then maybe we could find out if we are cousins
Greetings and warm regards from New Zealand
KevinTuesday 22nd January 2019, 08:07PM
I don't know if this helps-
Lot KENNA died 24 May Ballybrohan / male/ widower/ 81 years/ farmer/ old age/ Thomas KENNA present at death-
Leonie LowSunday 27th January 2019, 09:13PM
Hi Kevin and Leonie -
Well, it seems Lot Kenna of Ballybroghan did not live to as old an age as my grandmother had reported! I believe the records Leonie found are definitely those of my 3X great-grandfather. His son, Thomas, was the one who signed the death record. He was just 81 when he died, not 102!
Kevin, what a wonderful story you shared about being in the right place at the right time for Maura and John's farewell! It must have been very exciting for you, and they must have been so very pleased! You know, I did have my DNA tested, but it was with Family Tree DNA. The Clare Roots Society had recommended that one becasue they have a database just for County Clare descendants. It would be so interesting, though, to see how close our DNA really is. I've had a few contacts from Family Tree, but no really close connections. I suppose DNA companies don't share their results with each other. I may have to do mine again, this time with My Heritage. It would be interesting, too, if your Edmond and my Thomas were brothers or cousins. Let's hope more clues fall into place. : )
Leonie, thank you so much for providing another piece of the puzzle! So very kind of you.
All the Best,
Sue KenneySunday 27th January 2019, 10:38PM
Thanks Sue and Leonie.
Always good to get new facts. Have just had another look at the dates you had in your post. I see your great great Thomas was born 1843 - 12 years before my gandfather Edmond (Edward). Not too far apart. It is intriguing to think your Great great great Lot and my Great great Thomas could have been cousins or even brothers. If you fo get another DNA it could give us an inkling. Very hot here today (29 Celsius outsige) - we are picking up very hot air from the heat wave in Eastern Australia. Most Kiwis would say all you ever get from the Aussie is hot air - haha.
Best reagrds Kevin
KevinMonday 28th January 2019, 01:31AM
Have been going through my files looking for some old emails from a Bryan Kinna in Australia, He had an ancestor from Ogonnelloe also. A Patrick Kinna. Unfortunately I hjaven't located the files yet. However I came across a photocopy of an 1832 parish list of what seems to be baprisms. On the list is a child Ellen with the date of 4 Augusat. Parents being Lot Kenna and Mary Maguire Sponsors being Thomas Toohey of Rahena and Bridget Bourke of Ballynrohan. If you do not thave this I can email the jpg to you.You can email me at email@example.com.
KevinMonday 28th January 2019, 02:00AM
Some more infor I have
KENNA BAPTISMS OF OGONNELLOE PARISH, 1832-1869
Children of Michael Kenna & Ann St. Laurence are omitted, available elsewhere.
Lot Kenna & Mary Maguire, Ballybrohan:
4 Aug 32 Ellen
5 Apr 34 Mary Dan Kenna, Ellen O'Brien - Ballybrohan
31 Mar 36 Honora Tom Kenna, Eliza Kenna - B'brohan
22 Jun 38 Bridget Dan Kenna, Sarah Maguire - B'brohan
15 Apr 41 Judith Michael Kenna - Ballyheefy, Judith Keefe - Belkelly
15 Oct 43 Thomas Thomas Maguire, Mrs. Kenna - B'brohan
23 Jun 48 Margaret Richard Poer - Belkelly, Ellen Mulcahy - Carribane
26 Mar 53 Michael Michael Kenna, Judith Crotty
Edmund Kenna & Catherine Hogan, Ballybrohan
6 May 32 Judith Daniel Kenna, Bridget Kenna - Ballybrohan
9 Mar 34 Margaret Dominick Stuart, Eliza Gallagher - B'brohan
Thomas Kenna & Bridget Hogan, Ballybrohan
19 Jan 33 Edm'd Pat Kenna, Mary Maguire - Ballybrohan
24 Feb 35 Mary Js O'Brien, Cath. Kenna - B'brohan
25 Mar 38 Thomas E. Hogan, Judith Keefe - B'brohan
2 Apr 43 John Jas. O'Brien - B'brohan, Cath. McNamara - B'loughnane
Thomas Kenna & Honora Curley, Ballybrohan
27 Jan 39 no name --------, Mary Powell - Ballyloughnane
as Thomas Kenna & Honora Crowley, Ballylougnane:
19 Aug 41 Michael Michael Kenna - Ballycougran, Mrs. Crowley - Ballyheefy
12 Apr 44 Mary John Hara, Eliza Long - Ballybrohan
as of Ballybrohan:
8 Mar 48 Bridget Denis Mac, Mary Nihil - B'loughnane
John Kenna & Mary Moloney, Ballybrohan
1 Mar 38 Catherine Pat Kenna - B'brohan, Mary Molomey - Firpark
25 May 42 John Pat Vaughan, Ellen Moloney - Ballybrohan
23 Aug 44 Cornelius ---------------, Margaret Moloney - Finlea
John Kenna & Mary Kenna, Ballybrohan
22 Apr 52 Mary Thos. McNamara, Winifred McNamara - B'brohan
27 Apr 54 Bridget John Salmon, Mary Salmon
18 Sep 56 Michael Denis Holloran, Marg't Holloran, Ballyhurly
26 Dec 58 Daniel Martin M'Kenna, Judith M'Kenna - B'brohan (parents also as M'Kenna)
7 Apr 61 Mart ----------------, ---------------
2 Apr 64 Judith ----------------, ---------------
28 Apr 66 Ellen ----------------, ---------------
18 Aug 68 John ----------------, ---------------
Michael Kenna, Mary Kenna, Ballyloughnane
21 Mar 44 Anne Thomas Kenna, Ellen Kenna - Ballyloughnane
27 Mar 45 Thomas Mat Keefe - B'heefy, Wnifred McNamara - B'loughnane
as of Ballyheefy:
8 Apr 47 Michael M. Kenna, Brd't O'Brien - Ballyheefy
as of Ballyloughnane again:
2 Jan 49 Daniel Michael Sullivan, Cath. Kenna - B'loughnane
11 Apr 53 Patrick Michael Kenna, Marg't Melody
as of Belkelly:
5 Jul 55 Ellen Thos Kenna, Bridget Cox - Belkelly
7 Jun 57 John -----------, ----------
20 Jun 58 Mary -----------, ----------
22 Jun 61 Winifred -----------, ----------
18 Oct 63 Thomas -----------,-----------
Michael Kenna & Ellen Hogan, Ballyloughnane
5 Nov 68 Pat ----------------, ----------------
Martin Kenna & Ann Haragon, Glen
29 Apr 32 Ann James Kenna, Honora Bromahair - Glen
Thomas Kenna & Bridget Curtin, Glen
14 Dec 34 James Maurice Dinan, Mary Curtn - Glen
1 Dec 37 Margaret ? Farrell, Ann Curtin - Glen
Laurence Kenna & Bridget Dineen, Rahena
20 Dec 32 John
17 Apr 34 Mary Michael Dinan, Mary Cline - Rahena
20 Jun 36 John Michael Murry, Bridget Bourke - Rahena
Denis Kenna & Mary Hogan, Ballycougran
20 Feb 36 Catherine Pat Kenna, Genny Hogan - Ballybrohan
17 Mar 38 Mary Robt Franklin - B'brohan, Marg't Holly - ?
26 Jul 40 Margaret Conner Kenna, Cath. Crotty - Ballycougran
28 Aug 45 Jane Michael Corbet - B'cougran, Bridget Hogan - Bridgetown
Michael Kenna & Honora McCormic, Ballycougran
21 Mar 43 Lot John Beston, Marg't Kenna - Ballycougran
19 Mar 45 Catherine Stephen Beston, Anne Moloney - B'cougran
Michael Kenna & Hannah Vaughan, Ballybran
9 Apr 47 John Thady Moloney, - Carribane, Judy Kiely - B'nagloca
10 Aug 48 Anne P. Stritch - Carricore, Marg't Doosey - Glenfada
1 Apr 52 Michael Thos. Kenna, Mary Kelly - Ballybran
Michael Kenna & Anne Moloney, ?
11 Feb 53 Denis Dennis Moloney, Hanora Keehan - ?
Denis Kenna & Honora Moloney, Carmigar
20 Nov 42 John Michael Moloney - Glen, Susan Kenna - Ballybran
5 May 45 Pat Michael Kenna - B'brohan, Winifred Moloney - Glen
4 Mar 48 Mat Mat Moloney, Cath. Moloney - Glen
as Denis Kenna & Ann Moloney of Carhugar:
19 Dec 54 Thomas Robt Dowdal - Tumgraney, Anne Kern - Carhugar
Cornelius Kenna & Honora Murray, Carowena
22 Feb 47 Pat P. Kenna - Ballymalone, Catherine Murray
KevinMonday 28th January 2019, 02:47AM
Hi Kevin -
Ah, very good! Yes, I've visited New Zealand ( a number of years ago now - 17? 18?) and loved the gentle Kiwi sense of humor, characterized by lots of good natured ribbing! One of my favorite comic actors is Rhys Darby. : )
Thanks so much for all that you've sent. My uncle (same maternal family line, but has a different paternal line than my dad) is fascinated by all of this. I looke up My Heritage, and it seems I can upload to their website the DNA test I've already taken. My uncle has not been tested, so he would like to do that next time he visits (which will be next week). I will try to upload the results I have (seems a little tricky), but if I cannot, I am willing to do the test again with My Heritage. We'll figure out this connection yet!
Sue KenneyMonday 28th January 2019, 08:49PM
Hi Sue & Kevin.
I contacted Kevin about 20 years ago, when I first started researching my tree. I was convinced we were related because my GGF was Thomas McKenna from Belkelly b1866. We couldn't confirm any link.
Later I found that my GGM (not related to Thomas) was Mary Sheridan, and her parents were Daniel Sheridan & Winifred Kenna. I believe that Winifred was Lot (married to Mary Maguire) Kenna's sister!
I had my DNA tested on Ancestry about 5 years ago. Having read this page last week & your comments about My Heritage, I uploaded my results to My Heritage and yesterday saw my matches. Second in the list was Kevin :D
Finally, it's confirmed. It says he's my 1st cousin twice removed to 3rd cousin once removed. So I think it might be safe to say, you're related to Kevin, too, Sue :D
ScariffiedTuesday 2nd April 2019, 08:27PM
Hi cousin Sue D
Have just checked my DNA matches. A Sue showing as 1st cousin twice removed to 3rd cousin once removed has not popped up yet I do have a Patrick Sheridan from Ireland as 1st cousin twice removed - 4th cousin..
I'll keep watching for you to pop up.
KevinTuesday 2nd April 2019, 09:20PM
What a lovely message to receive! I had tried to upload my existing DNA sample to My Heritage some time ago, but it turned out to be a little problematic for me at the time (although I can't remember the nature of the problem now!). Isn't it something? We can cast our filial lines back in time and find we are connected through our family roots! So, your great, great grandmother's maiden name was Winifred Kenna, right? Wow - so Winifred would have been my great, great, great aunt. That would make us - and Kevin! - some kind of cousins. I'll have to try My Heritage again, or just get a new test done through them.
I also belong to the Clare Roots Society, although sadly, I cannot attend any of their meetings or excellent lectures because I live in the US. Last week, Larry Parks (secretery of Clare Roots) sent out an invitation to a lecture on post famine Irish vernacular architecture. I wouldn't know a thing about that, except he sent along a rendering of what the inside of one of these homes looked like. As I mentioned in a previous post to Kevin, I had the opportunity to visit the old family homestead two summers ago. I couldn't believe the similarities! I tried to post the pointing here, but it wiped out my post and I had to sart over again. Anyway, there was a rather large hearth in the small front room with a woodent table in front of it. There was enough space inside the fireplace for a little seat, and in the painting, there's an old woman sitting, warming herself. That's exactly how it must have been for Thomas Kenna and his sister when they were growing up, and later those of their offspring who got to stay in that home!
Thanks so much for the information - another piece of the puzzle! You wouldn't know anything about who Lot and Winifred's parents were, or if they had any other siblings, would you? That would be very interesting as well. If you stumble across any more family info, please let me know. Thanks so much for getting in touch.
Sue KenneyTuesday 2nd April 2019, 09:25PM
These are from the Thithe Appl;otment books at the Co Clare Library
Kinna John Ballybran Ogonnelloe
Kinna Lot Ballybrohan Ogonnelloe Commonage
Kinna Lot Ballybrohan Ogonnelloe
Kinna Lot Ballyloughlane Ogonnelloe
Kinna Pat Ballybrohan Ogonnelloe
Kinnna Pat Ballybrohan Ogonnelloe
KinnaThomas Ballyloughlane Ogonnelloe
KevinWednesday 3rd April 2019, 12:55AM
Thanks so much for sending this, Kevin. You and I had another person respond to us that goes by the screen name Scariffied, who was kind enough to fill in a few more blanks. Scariffied is related to you for sure, and more than likely, the three of us are cousins of some sort! : )
Sue KenneyWednesday 3rd April 2019, 01:15AM
Scariffied has popped up on my DNA matches and has mesaged me. Hopefully\ we may find the connection we all have and I will see how my GGGF Tomas connects.
KevinWednesday 3rd April 2019, 09:52PM
Excellent! Very good, Kevin. Talk to you soon. : )
Sue KenneyWednesday 3rd April 2019, 10:21PM
Hi Sue and Scariiffied
I received an email from Mary (Scariffied) and was able to find some of our earlier emails. We first connected in 2002. Going through them and keeping our DNA connection in mind, I thiink maybe we all come from the same male Kenna/Kinna/McKenna ancestor - the father of Sue's Lot, Mary's Winifred and my Thomas.
Will be great if you, Sue, can get your DNA uploaded to My Heritage, My sister had hers done by Ancestry. She sent me a zip file"dna-data-2019-03-29" and I was able to upload her DNA onto my My Heritage page. If you belong to My Heritage Sue you can probably upload OK.
I expect you would show up similat to my result with Mary (Scariffied)
KevinSaturday 6th April 2019, 04:28AM
Hi Mary and Kevin,
I was having some difficulty uploading my existing DNA results from Family Tree to the My Heritage website, so I bit the bullet and purchased a new kit. It arrived this morning in the mail, and I will send it out in tomorrow's mail. We should know by next month how closely we may be related. It would be interesting to know where the children of Lot and Mary landed in this world! ; )
Sue KenneySunday 7th April 2019, 12:26PM
Thanks Sue. Will be keeping an eye out for you to pop up.
KevinMonday 8th April 2019, 01:21AM
Hi Sue, what other DNA tests have you done before?
ScariffiedMonday 8th April 2019, 09:57AM
Hi Mary and Kevin,
Well, I just got my results from My Heritage DNA, and sadly it doesn't look like we're as related as we may have thought. I didn't see either of you on the first 3 - 5 pages of relatives, but maybe you could check your accounts again to see if I show up for you. It's strange, no? With all three of us tied to the Kenna clan in Ogonelloe, you would think that there would be some DNA evidence of it!
Sue KenneySaturday 4th May 2019, 05:53PM
Hello Sue. Unfortunately you have not popped up yet. But you may yet do so. I received a notification from My Heritage that my sonhad had DNA matched with me as my son. Hed had the rresults gimself a week or two earlier. Similar situation at a different time wih my granddaughter. So I'll leep looking. Kevin
KevinSaturday 4th May 2019, 11:03PM
Hi Kevin -
Okay, let's see what happens. In the meantime, I started building my family tree on My Heritage, and I got a couple of exact matches with my great grandmother's sisters' families (I guess that would be my great aunts' families!
The one strange thing is that even though we show the same names and dates of birth for these people (maiden and married names too), my records show everyone born/baptized in Ballybrohan, whereas theirs shows Annacarriga. Is that explainable somehow?
Sue KenneySunday 5th May 2019, 12:27AM
Hi Sue . I wonder if the church was in Ballybrohan, whilst they resided in Annacarriga. - or vice versa. Kevin
KevinSunday 5th May 2019, 03:21AM
Hi Kevin ,
Right - I was wondering the same thing. I looked it up on the map - It's only six minutes by car from Annacarriga to Ogonneloe Parish. I know they most likely traveled by foot or by horse, but still, it's not that far. Sorry for the dealyed response - I accidentally responnded via email rather than this message board, and I just received a message saying I needed to use the message board.
Sue KenneyTuesday 7th May 2019, 03:53PM