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Ellen Allender is my 2nd GGreatmother. Her spellings of her maiden name included Allendern, Attender, Allen, Ellendarn and Allander. Her 1st apparent marriage was to Patrick Mangan[?]. I only found out through DNA matches that he was a Patrick with correct surname, but cant find their marriage at all. My 1stGGrandfather's birth certificate states Ellen Jones late Manuel formerly Allendarn. So you can understand that I've gone round the houses. She states that she was born in 1836. In my DNA match, they have 1841, no birth/baptism for them at all but did find a baptism for 17 March 1830 (page 23) Kilrush County Clare Parents Francis Allender & Ellen King and it is blank, the Archive's Office have put Simon in but he belongs to the Family above the Fox Family. I've informed them of my findings, and thanked them for the hard work they do. Also there's a baptism in 1854 for a Thomas Mangan Parents Patrick Mangan & Ellen Allender. So I am believing she lied about her age with her 2nd husband if he was and Patrick Mangan wasn't married to her. My DNA match was through her son Francis Mangan with Patrick Mangan. Francis went back to Kilrush (1861 onwards) brought up by the Mangan Family he then married and had children and died there. No other Record has been found about Patrick except 1861 Bilston Wolverhampton Staffordshire England as a Shoemaker. As for Ellen, she worked as a servant for the Devlin family in Liverpool. Sometime in 1861 they either parted and she made up as being a widow or did he die? If you can help anyone that will be brilliant.

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  • Hi Mitch

    I was alerted to your post when I logged in to irelandxo.com today.

    I have done some copy-editing on the original to make it more readable and have added Ellen Allender to the two parishes in which her Mangan children were baptised, Kilrush and Kilfearagh.

    I also uploaded a properly oriented scan of her 1881 census return, which is listed under Additional Information: Supporting Documents.  There does not appear to be any way to add a caption directly to the image.

    I have helped other Allender descendants with their research in the last year or two.

    Pat Mignane and Ellen Alender married in Kilrush parish on 28 Feb 1854 and had at least four children baptised in County Clare:

    • Margaret on 11 Feb 1855 in Kilrush parish; and
    • an illegible entry in Oct 1857, Francis in Aug 1859 and Mary on 21 Jun 1863 in Kilkee parish.

    The early Kilkee register has never been microfilmed.

    As Patrick, Ellen and Francis were in Bilston for the 1861 census, they must have gone back and forth between Clare and Staffordshire more than once.

    I very much doubt that the Ellen Manuel enumerated in Liverpool in 1861 is Ellen Mangan.

    I also came to the conclusion that Mrs. Mangan was the daughter of Francis Allender and Ellen King, mainly because Francis Mangan registered the death of his uncle John James Allender, who died on 27 Dec 1888 aged 52, and because the latter's age at death exactly matches the baptism date for the John born to Francis Allender and Ellen King.

    On the other hand, Ellen Jones (previously Mangan née Allender), like most people of her generation, appears to have neither known nor cared what age she was.  I would stop short of accusing her of deliberately lying about her age.  She married in 1854, claimed to be only 20 in 1861 and 45 in 1881, when she had a one-year-old child.  If she was the subject of the illegible 1830 baptismal record, then she must have been 49 when she gave birth to her last child.

    I would be interested in seeing your DNA matches at www.GEDmatch.com

    Paddy Waldron, IrelandXO Volunteer

    Sunday 7th March 2021 02:55PM
  • Hi Paddy

    That's Brilliant, 4 children altogether plus the 3 she had with her 2nd Marriage.

    Names add up especially passing them down.

    Yeah no problems will add u onto my DNA Matches what's ur Email address or through the Link above.

    Michelle

    Mitch

    Sunday 27th June 2021 10:25PM
  • Hi Michelle

    My GEDmatch.com kit number is VA864386C1

    What is yours?

    If you want to contact me privately, you can use the User Lookup at GEDmatch.com to find my email address.

    Paddy.

     

    Paddy Waldron, IrelandXO Volunteer

    Sunday 27th June 2021 10:47PM
  • Francis Mangan is my great-grandfather. There was always a mystrey about him. The rumor was that he was illegitimate and born in Burkinhead. His uncle, I assume James Allender, brought him over to Kilrush to learn how to be a butcher and to inherit the business. Now, there are records that Pat Mangan and Ellen were married and had otehr children. Further, Ellen remarried and I have no idea what happened to Pat Mangan. His son, Francis, died at 52 from Tongue cancer and my grandfather who had immigrated to America returened to inherit the business. 

    Brooklyn Boy

    Tuesday 1st February 2022 11:27PM
  • Dear all,

    I'm undertaking research on the Irish who settled in New Caledonia in the second half of the 19th century.

    I'm researching on William Allender, son of Benjamin Alender (mother named Mary), and Susan Carey (named Susanna Keary),  daughter of Thomas Keary (mother named Julia), who married on January 15th, 1838 at Thomas Keary’s house in Kilrush, in the diocese of Killaloe (now St Senan’s), Co. Clare, Ireland. 

    Their daughter, Mary Allender, married Emile Girard in Noumea, New Caledonia in 1861.

    If you have any information about them and their family in Kilrush, please contact me: noemiebeck@yahoo.fr
    Or if there are descendants in Ireland who would like to know more about Mary Allender in New Caledonia, let me know!
    Noémie

    Lugus

    Monday 28th October 2024 11:07AM
  • Francis Mangan is my great-grandfather. He died of Tongue Cancer in 1918. The family lore was that he was illegitimate and born I Birkenhead and raised by the Allenders. However, I saw a marriage record of Patrick and Ellen in Kilirush, must've been St Senan's Church. I have no further info regarding Patrick Mangan.

     

    Kevin Fox 

    Brooklyn Boy

    Monday 28th October 2024 07:53PM

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