My original post had the wrong date of the census in which James and Johanna appeared. It should be the 1861 census and not 1851.
Any hints or suggestions would be gratefully received.
Peter Dewhurst.
My maternal family name is Gorman. My great grandfather was born in 1849 in Bickerstaffe, Lancashire his parents were Listed in the 1851 census as James Gorman and Johanna nee Kirby and listed their country of origin as Ireland.
Through the Ancestry website I have identified James and Johanna as having been married in the parish of Shandrum in 1831 and lived in Charleville. They had seven children while in Charleville the last being born in 1847. If my research is accurate then two years later my great grandfather was born in Lancashire.
The question I am anxious to resolve is, what was the common route for people emigrating from County Cork to England and is there a source of passenger lists that could help me confirm the origins of my great, great grandparents?
With only my great grandfather and great uncle listed on the UK 1851 census as children living with James and Johanna, I am also concerned, if I am correct in my research, as to how, and who with, did the seven other children, one a mere baby, arrive in America and end up living in Nebraska? The same question regarding the route and possible passenger lists applies here.
| Additional Information | ||
|---|---|---|
| Date of Birth | 1st Jan 1806 | |
| Father (First Name/s and Surname) | None | |
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osscat
Monday 21st May 2018 12:00AM -
Peter,
I'm not specifically aware of your James Gorman, however, I have a GG Grandfather named Thomas Gorman who was born in 1806 and married a Margaret O'Brien in Shandrum in 1838. I'm wondering if this might possibly be a brother of your James Gorman. Have you tracked James Gorman's siblings and/or parents? I have suspicions that my Thomas Gorman's parents were named John Gorman and Frances (McCarthy) Gorman who were also from Shandrum. I'm happy to share any information with you that I have regarding my Gormans if this sounds like a possible match for you.
Pat Moylan
Pat
Monday 25th March 2019 12:00AM -
Thank you Pat, It would be very helpful to me to see if there is a link. There is still the possibility that my Gorman family are from Cork, however, I have become very uncertain that My GG Grandparents were the ones from Charleville. I ran numerous searches for James Gorman originally linking him to James and Johanna (Kirby) of Charleville - they had seven children in Ireland the last being Ellen b.1847 - my great grandfather Martin was born in 1849 in Bickerstaffe Lancashire. I wondered if Ellen had passed away as a baby but subsequent searches found she lived to early 1900s. I was overexcited at finding a link but subsequently I found there were many James Gormans born in 1806, furthermore my gg grandmother's first name was Hannah and not Johanna - I know it is often just a shortened version but it seems significant.
I also found there were two families located in Cork with the same parents names of James and Johanna - one wife being Kirby and another called Markham or Kirby Markham. I found a Mark O'Gorman in America, a relative of the Charleville family and learned about them and their travels to America. Mark had no information regarding how or when, precisely, the family left Ireland, it could have been during or after the worst of the famine. I found it inconceivable that James and Johanna would leave for England with so many young children and for there to be no census or other record of them in England. There is nothing I have found found in the 1841 nor the 1851 census only a record from Bickerstaffe in 1861 with two sons Martin, my great grandfather, and Peter.
I have taken a DNA test but have found no close ties to any Gorman family. A dna match in Australia might (I have real doubts though) link me to a John Gorman b.1766 in Meath who was sent on an all inclusive package holliday to Australia in 1820 for seven years but did not return. Whether he had children or siblings with children that could be related to my maternal Gorman line I am still unsure and doubtful.
This is a very well built brick wall I am very keen to break through - I would be very interested to know if your ancestors are connected to mine.
Thank you for you message, it is very much appreciated.
Peter Dewhurst
osscat
Monday 25th March 2019 01:50AM -
Peter,
With whom did you take your DNA test? I took a DNA test with Ancestry.com. If you also took yours with them, we might be able to determine if there is a link between your Shandrum Gormans and mine.
Pat
Pat
Monday 17th May 2021 03:47PM
