John Joseph Macaulay

John Joseph Macaulay 1806

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Place of migration
Migrated to /Born in Canada

John Joseph emigrated with his wife, Jane N McNeil, from Cushendall to Trenton, Ontario, Canada in 1832.  They both appear to have come from the nearby Glens at Glenaan where they were possibly tenant farmers (?)  The couple had 6 children in Canada. (I am descended from second son, Bernard, born 1836). Tragically, John Joseph died as a young man (44) while carrying a bag of grain from the local mill back to his farm. His wife, known in the family as "Jenny of the Woods" spoke Gaelic, was resourceful, and survived on the farm with the help of her children until she died at age 78.

There are multiple spellings of John Joseph's surname; the most common spelling in the family is McCauley. Some family trees on Ancestry indicate parents for John Joseph, but there is no documentation.

I'm interested to learn more about how to find documentation for their births, baptisms, emigration and/or life in the Cushendall area during the time they immigrated to Canada.  

Burial stone above is in Trenton, Ontario, Canada

 

- Mark Forsythe

 

Additional Information
Date of Birth 1st Jan 1806
Date of Death 1st Jan 1850
Spouse (First Name/s and Maiden/Surname) Jane McNeil

Comments

  • Mark,

    You ask about finding birth, baptism and emigration records. The short answer is that probably none exist.

    Birth and RC marriage registration didn’t start in Ireland till 1864. Prior to that we rely on church records, where they exist. I assume your family was RC.  Cushendall is in the RC parish of Layde. Unfortunately their records don’t start till 1838, so very simply there are no records for someone born or married there before that.

    The news on emigration isn’t very good either. The authorities in Ireland had no interest in who left and so there are no comprehensive departure records. Such records as do exist for emigrants are usually compiled for the authorities in the destination country.  However Canada does not appear to have routinely required any before around 1850, so if there are no records in Canada then there are no records.

    For information on life in the Layd area in the 1830s, a good source is the Ordnance Survey memoirs which for the civil parish of Layd were compiled in 1832.  I have a copy and if you provide an e-mail address I can send it to you. (About 20 pages of information).  On emigration & migration it says:

    “About a dozen (on average) annually emigrate in spring to Canada. A few have lately returned, not finding the country to answer their expectations concerning it. A very few men go annually to the English and Scottish harvests and return when they are over.”

    Another source you may find helpful is Brian S Turner’s recent book: "Family names in the Glens of Antrim.” The book goes into considerable detail about the origins of all the main names in the Glens including McAuley and McNeill. (McAuley and variant spellings gets 10 pages).  It’s the most common surname in the Glens.  In the 1963 electoral roll there were a few Macaulays but most folk in the Glens spelled it McAuley then. However going back a bit all sorts of spellings were used eg McAla. Turner states that the McAuleys probably originated in Scotland and there is evidence to support that eg a grave in Layd churchyard mentioning Macaulays who originated in Ardincaple, Dunbartonshire. Turner isn’t total certain of where the majority originate, nor of when they first arrived in the Glens area. He points out that whilst many of the surnames in the Glens such as McNeill are common names in Kintyre and adjacent islands in Scotland, McAulay is not common there.  So he thinks their origins are not as clear-cut as is the case for many of those other Scottish surnames in the Glens.

    Turner quotes a source named Boyle:  “Boyle remarks on the “trifling anecdotes” that are told about the McAuleys in Layd parish and that by “universal opinion” they were recalled as having been “the terror and nuisance of the country.” Another paragraph of the survey memoir makes an interesting reference to the connections between politics and the decline of the clan fights in which the McAulays were leading participants. Is it possible that we are seeing here a remnant and resentful memory of those who were displaced by the incoming Scots?”

    McNeill gets about 4 pages. Turner is fairly confident they originated in Gigha with some coming from Kintyre. (Gigha’s about 15 miles north of Cushendall) just off the Kintyre coast. It’s low lying but you can see it on a good day from Tor Head in Antrim. There’s a gravestone in Layd for an Edmund McNeil, originally of Macrihanish, which is across the water on the west side of Kintyre. There’s quite a few McNeills in Keil cemetery at Southend, Kintyre too. That’s about 10 miles from Cushendall so seems a pretty likely connection to me.

    You mention Jenny speaking Gaelic. The Gaelic spoken in the Glens is/was a different dialect to that spoken in other parts of Ireland but pretty well identical to Scottish Gaelic. That’s obviously a result of the common heritage. According to “Antrim and Argyll: Gaelic Connections” edited by Wm Roulston (page 2): “Gaelic links between Antrim & Argyll lasted well into the modern period. As late as 1881, 65% of the population of Argyll was Gaelic speaking, and clusters of native speakers of Argyll Gaelic survived into the twenty first century. Gaelic faded from Antrim somewhat earlier, but the Ordnance Survey memoirs show a vibrant Gaelic culture in the Glens of Antrim before the Famine, 43% of Rathlin Islanders were Gaelic speaking in 1901, and there were still native speakers of Antrim Gaelic in the second half of the twentieth century. The Antrim & Argyll dialects of Gaelic were linguistically very close.”

     

    Elwyn

    Ireland Reaching Out Volunteer

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Thursday 2nd March 2023 07:36PM
  • Hello Elwyn,

    This is very useful information, and paints a broader picture for me.  I've searched for passenger lists etc. here in Canada, but no luck so far.  I was aware of the limited RC documentation, but have always hoped that someone in the Antrim area may have a secret stash of info or a family bible that holds some clues.  Also interesting to learn that some McAuleys in the parish were, “the terror and nuisance of the country” !! What's your email address, please? I'd love to get a copy of the Ordnance Survey memoirs. Cheers, Mark 

     

    MarkF.

    Thursday 2nd March 2023 07:50PM
  • You can contact me on elwynsoutter@yahoo.co.uk

    Turner's Book is well worth getting. Apart from the historical information there are lots of good photos which should give you a sense of the whole area.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Thursday 2nd March 2023 07:55PM
  • Thanks so much Elwin. I'll try to track down Turner's book. - Mark 

    MarkF.

    Thursday 2nd March 2023 08:05PM
  • Hello Mark and Elwin,

    How fortuitous for me to come across this photo and discussion so soon after being posted and not years after it was posted. I came across it just now while checking out the request for members to post a Patrick for St. Patrick's Day. I am a Canadian descended from Patrick McAuley (various spellings) and Mary McCambridge.  They were my 4th great-grandparents and emigrated from County Antrim to Montreal, then Pontiac County, Quebec. Their daughter Margaret (Peggy) married Terence Doyle in Notre Dame Cathedral on Aug 15, 1825, so their families' immigration must have been before then. That's as much as I know, though there are several people on Ancestry with these McAuleys in their family trees.  Perhaps we are related, Mark

    Kathleen

    My email is kathleenbeattie1302@gmail.com.

    Kathleen

    Sunday 12th March 2023 04:02AM
  • Hello Mark, greetings from Australia

    I am following your enquiry with interest as my 5 x GGM was Sarah McAuley who married Charles McAlister. My grandfather Alexander McAllister 1876 - 1944 was born in Gruig, in the parish of Layd. As a young man he left and lived in Paisley, Scotland for the remainder of his life. My older brother visited Gruig, Cushendall many times as a child and remembers the family of McAuley who lived next door and were cousins he believes of the McAllisters.

    I am originally from Paisley and planning a visit to Gruig, Cushendall in July this year with another brother who has already made some contacts.

    Regards

    Anne McAllister

     

    AnnaTheresa

    Sunday 12th March 2023 04:03AM
  • Hello Kathleen and Anna.

    It's great to hear about each of your McAuley connections to County Antrim. It's been quite a challenge to locate specifics prior to 1806 when my 3rd great-grandfather John Joseph Macaulay was born. HIs wife  Jane McNeil, born in 1808, was pregnant with their first child, John Joseph Junior when they immigrated to Canada.

    A few years ago when I visited the Glenaan area where they likely came from I did some door-knocking.  Willie McAuley was kind enough to take me and my son high up on the land behind his home for a view across the Glen. It was spectacular, and I'll never forget his fine hospitality. 

    There was stone cottage ruin on his property, possibly from the famine era.  I'm guessing that when John Joseph and Jane left Antrim they were tenant farmers with very few prospects -- and possibly joined other Macaulays who had already left Antrim for Canada. 

    Perhaps we'll find some common ancestry in the future. Good luck with your searches! 

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    MarkF.

    Sunday 12th March 2023 06:09AM
  • Kathleen & Anna,

    McAuley is the most common surname in the Glens and McAllister is the second most common. Obviously they are not all related (though some will be), but mostly just sharing a common surname from common general ancestry. McCambridge is also quite common. Again they originated in Kintyre. Good luck with your research anyway.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 12th March 2023 10:36AM

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