Delighted to see the photo.

The parents of John Kinirons, the baker, are incorrect - my research shows his parents as Richard and Kate Kinirons and his birth was about 1838

Thomas and Winnie Kinirons had a son John born in 1845 whihc may explain the confusion.

Liam

Liam, if you look at his gravestone it states he died in 1945 aged 73.  This would put his birth at 1872.  If he was born in 1838, he would have been 107 years old.  I wonder if you've gone a generation further back.  It's great that there's comments here as debate sorts things out, while comments add to the information.  Please keep them coming!

Great to hear from you - if my response caused confusion please accept my apologies.

My comment was intended to make clear that I was referring to the father of John Kinirons NT (1871-1945) also named John

This John Kinirons was a baker, lived from about 1838 until 1905, married twice, second time with Mary Butler in 1868.

In the initial comments on the site it was indicated that this John (the baker), was the son of Thomas Kinirons (1813-1876) and Winifred Maher (1816-1872).

My research clearly shows he was the son of Richard Kinirons (1815-1865) and Catherine/Kate Tierney(1820-1899).

The likely source of confusion is that Thomas and Winnie had a son named John, born in 1845 and who died in 1931.

It is not certain but seems likely that Richard and Thomas were closely related and were probably brothers.

Hope this clears up the matter.

Thanks for your interest and support

Liam

John Kinirons NT was one of at least 13 children born to John Kinirons the baker - during two marriages - 6 boys and 7 girls.

Two of the sons and five of the daughters went to the US and settled in and around New York. The daughters married men from Tipperary - Spearmans (2) from Cloughjordan, Flannery from Toomevara, Ryan from Borrisoleigh and Duff from near Thurles.

The daughter who remained in Ireland married a Flannery from Toomevara, a brother of the Flannery her sister married in NY. 

John Kinirons NT had two sons with his first wife and both of these men migrated to the New York area where they settled and raised families.

Liam

Liam,

Many thanks for your information. It's great that a simple picture can evoke such a wealth of knowledge.  If you have any supporting documents etc. I would love to see them to add to the collection. Are you a descendant?  

There are several Kinirons gravestones with inscriptions in the graveyard at St Cronans Roscrea including a pair located on a double grave just to the right inside the old gate. The inscriptions read as follows:

Sacred to the memory of Thomas Kinirons of Roscrea who departed this life 25 March 1876 aged 62 years also his beloved wife Winifred Kinirons who died 5 July 1872 aged 52 years also their sons Edward Kinirons died 23 May 1905 aged 56 yrs John died 24 July 1931 aged 88 yrs Kate wife of the above named Edward died 2 June 1939 aged 72 yrs and their son Michael died 9 March 1947 aged 50 yrs Winifred Kinirons died 1 December 1983 Resquiescat in Pace

The other headstone is inscribed

Erected by Thomas& Margaret Kinirons In loving memory of their mother Kate Kinirons Who died Jan 31st 1`899 aged 80 yrs Also their father Richard Kinirons Who died Nov 1865 aged 50 yrs And their brother John Who died Sep 12th 1905 aged 65 yrs The above named Thomas Died Nov 30th 1928 aged 80 yrs Margaret Died Nov 10th 1930 aged 75 yrs Teresa Kinirons Died 15 Jan 1974 Joseph P Kinirons Died 13 Dec 1975 Ellen Kinirons Wife of John N.T. Died 1 Nov 1918 R.I.P

Liam

I have a photo of the gravestones but cant see how to upload it to the site??

Liam

Liam,

Many thanks for the info.  I have a database of the Roscrea Graveyard from which the gravestone of John NT was uploaded.  I'll check out the ones you have here and get back to you.  Thanks very much for this as it had escaped me!  

Dick

Dick,

Thanks.

I am happy to upload my photo of the gravestones if I can find the way to do this otherwise if you let me have an email address I am happy to send a copy to you for uploading.

Liam

PS My wife is a Kinirons, a great niece of John Kinirons NT, hence the interest.

Liam,

Great to know the connection!  I'll locate my gravestone photos and email them to you... they have the actual inscription transcribed which may be of some use to you for the family acrchives!

Dick

Liam,

I found the Graves you mentioned.  I have a file of them that I can email to you if you want.  Just let me have an email address.

Dick

Dick, thanks. My email:
liamkeilthy@gmail.com.

You mention having a database of the students in the national school.... any kinirons names?

We have found at least 18 variations in the spelling of the name.

Really look forward to seeing your pictures.

Liam
Ps if I can help with any queries re this primarily Roscrea, Toomevara and Birr family please don't hesitate to contact me.

Liam,

Thanks for the email address.  I have the records saved on a different PC and will email them to you later tis evening.  Any infformation I can locate on the school rool I'll also send on tonight.  If you have any info that you want to share, you can send it by retirn email - not to have everything in such public view!

Dick

Liam,

Have just emailed you some files.

Dick

Hello.  John is my 2nd great-uncle. His sister Mary is my great-grandmother. Thanks for posting this. I love seeing the picture. 

Thanks,

Siobhan

Siobhan, Great to hear from you. I assume you are a descendant of Mary Kinirons and Daniel Stephen Ryan? I'd love to get in touch - use by email liamkeilthy@gmail.com. Liam

Dick, I may have accidentally deleted your email to me - see mention above. I'd appreciate it if you could re-send it. Many thanks for your support and interest. Liam

Wonderful to stumble on this photo, this is my Great Uncle.  His father, the baker John, is my Great Great Grandfather!

Actually think I may be wrong, my Great Uncle, James Kinirons was also a baker. His father John Kinirons the baker is my Great Great Grandfather, but perhaps this James the Teacher is a son from the first marriage.

One son of John Kinirons (abt 1839-1905), the baker from Toomevara, and his second wife Mary Butler (abt 1845-1912) was James born March 1875. Per the 1901 census he was a baker and he married Julia Breen of Abbey St Roscrea in Feb 1918.  I have no details of children of this couple and would love to hear from you - see my email address above. Liam

Hi Liam, I will email you by end of weekend (or sooner!). This James is my Great Uncle, his brother Edward the postman is my Great Grandad.

Liam, 

I just found this page while doing a search for Kiniron's pub after speaking with Sarah and her father Mike Duff. I came across this thread and realised that I had met the LiamK writing here! I love the flow of information please keep it coming! Sarah and I may also have some photos of the graves from our visit when we met! 

Take care,

Kenny Brooker