Lucinda Catherine Wilson 1832

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I am looking for any information about my GG Grandmother Lucinda Catherine Dagg (born Wilson) born 1832.

She married Robert David Dagg born 1826 in Mullingar.  They married 11 October, 1849  Portnashangan Parish.

Lucinda's father is Henry Wilson and mother Catherine Wilson (born Morrow) 1810. 

Lucinda & Roberts first 3 children were born in Ballynagall, Henry John Dagg 1850, Robert Kendrick Dagg 21 May, 1852, and James George Dagg 21 May 1854 in Mullingar.

In 1856 they left England port onboard SS Westminster bound for Wellington, New Zealand, where they settled in Masterton, Wairarapa.

Lucindas sister Maria Wilson (1830-1917) married William Powell (no dates) also came to New Zealand, don't know if they came together as i haven't had any success at finding a passenger list for that date of sailing. 

Any information would be greatfully appreciated.

The photo above is of Lucinda as an older lady at a daughters wedding in New Zealand.

Additional Information
Date of Birth 1832  
Date of Death 16th Jul 1903  
Father (First Name/s and Surname) Henry Wilson  
Number of Siblings One known sibling  
Names of Siblings Maria Wilson (Powell)  
Spouse (First Name/s and Maiden/Surname) Robert David Dagg  
Place & Date of Marriage Portnashangan, Westmeath 11 Oct, 1849  
Number of Children 9  
First Child Henry John Dagg  
Names of Children Henry John Dagg, Robert Kendrick Dagg, James George Dagg (these 3 born in Ireland) Edwin Dagg, Sarah Dagg/Graham, Robert John Dagg, Dorothea Catherine Dagg/de Lisle, John Thomas Dagg, Lucinda Dagg/Townson, Mary Dagg/Rose, Kendrick Wilson Dagg (b NZ)  
Occupation Farmer  
Place of Death Masterton, New Zealand  
     
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  • Ballynagall, at Knockdrin, Co. Westmeath, is adjacent to Lough Owel and was the Demesne of an estate mansion. A small section of it is located in the civil parish of Portnashangan / Tyfarnham (where your Robert Dagg is recorded as having land), However, the Ballynagall Demesne was largely in the civil parish of Rathconnell.  So it may be helpful in the future for you to to join the Rathconnell Community on IrelandXO as well!  Mullingar (just south-east) was this Ballynagall's nearest market town (which generally was the address given on ships' manifests). 

    Your ancestors lived on the demesne of Ballynagall House, Knockdrin which at that time was the seat of James W. Middleton Berry Esq. This gentleman was an extensive proprietor of estates in Co. Meath, Co. Westmeath and King's County (now Co. Offaly) and Deputy Lieutenant of Co. Westmeath in 1855. 

    The handsome Grecian mansion of Ballynagall had long been the seat of the Gibbins family. In 1846, through the will of James Gibbons Esq. its ownership passed to a James W. Midleton Berry Esq. of Middleton, Co. Westmeath, who married Caroline Augusta Smith (d.1896), daughter of the Right Hon. TBC Smith, Master of the Rolls in Ireland in 1851. Mr Middleton Berry resided there until his sudden death at a hunt in December 1855. (Interred at the family vault at Ballynegall Church). Ownership of Ballynagall then transferred to his in-laws, the Smyth Family.

    You can find Ballynagall here on Griffith's Valuation, which gives you a snapshot of 1855. The record shows the larger townland of Ballynagall (Rathconnell) comprised of "gate lodges and land" held in fee (owned) by James W.M. Berry Esq. of Ballynagall House, landlord (who also appeard in Griffith's as Jas. William M. Berry). The smaller townland of Ballynagall (Portnashangan) was right beside Ballynagall Church and Glebe House/ Rectory. 

    Robert David Dagg held a whopping 91 acres on the Ballynagall Demesne. He had to have been an employee of Mr Middleton Berry, most likely an agent or steward. (That the names of the occupants of these gate lodges were not recorded in 1855 does not suggest they were unoccupied). 

    The timing of Robert Dagg's short tenure in Ballynagall would appear to be very much connected to this James William Middleton Berry Esq. of Ballynagall (d.1855). Berry came into possession in 1848; Dagg was in a good position to marry in Portnashangan parish in 1849. Berry's sudden death at the end of 1855, led to the quick sale of his hunting horses in January 1856, and his widow auctioned all carriages, horses, stock, crops and farm implements at Ballynagall in April 1856.  Robert Dagg emigrated in 1856. 

    It certainly looks like Robert David Dagg was invited to Ballynagall as a trusted employee of Middleton Berry. Upon Berry's sudden death, Dagg was out of a job and emigrated (why else would he have given up 91 acres of good land?). 

    Should the Middleton-Berry or Smyth of Ballynagall landed estate records survive (try the NAI and the NLI), you have a good chance of finding out more. Getting to know the extent of this Middleton-Berry estate will help narrow down your possible point of origin. ​

     

    Best of luck!

     

    Rua

    Thursday 29th November 2018, 05:14AM
  • Sorry, typo ... the Ballynagall Demesne was largely in the civil parish of Portnashangan / Tyfarnham (where your Robert Dagg is recorded as having land). The smaller section was in the civil parish of Rathconnell.  

    Robert Dagg was also recorded in the townland of Leny (north-west of Ballynagall) which also is split between in the civil parishes of LACKAN and LENY. There he had an additional 46 acres (23 in LACKAN 23 in LENY) from Berry to include a farmhouse house valued at 3 pounds. See #5a Leny (civil parish of Leny). He is showing all the signs of being a Berry agent / grazier. 

    Rua

    Thursday 29th November 2018, 05:43AM
  • Robert Dagg "farmer", was residing at Leny in 1851 (when one of his labourers took him to court for unpaid wages) and in 1854 (when he was fined for having pigs wandering on the road). At that time his farmhouse

    No other court records appear for any other Robert Dagg at any other residence in Co. Westmeath.

    The Dagg farmhouse and outbuildings at #5 Leny [GV] are recorded as House No 3 in the 1901 Census (by which time the farmyard outbuildings were no longer extant). 

    You can view the Dagg farmhouse (now derelict) here on Google Maps. 

    Leny Cottage nearby (home of the Gaynor family) was the largest property in this townland. 

    Welcome home!

    Thursday 29th November 2018, 06:37AM
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    Rua

    Thursday 29th November 2018, 06:40AM
  •  Hi there Greetings from Nz .  If you check out Papers Past  Wairarapa Daily Times for 18June 1917 there is an obituary for Maria Powell ( ms Wilson ) . It states that she was the sister of the late Mr RD Dagg ( sister in law? ) and that she had lived many of her years in Canada . No mention of a husband.  The couple may have first immigrated to Canada then come to NZ which may account for the fact that you cannot find them on the NZ immigration data base.  I see from the irish Civil Records data base  that both  Lucinda and Maria were married in the same year 1849 in Westmeath.  Good luck withthe research. Regards Orkrad 

    orkrad

    Friday 30th November 2018, 11:42PM
  • Orkrad, thank you so much for the information on Maria Powell. The details you gave makes sense. My nana (Lucindas grand daughter) used to talk about Aunty Powell with no mention of an uncle so I will do some research in Canada and see if I find anything.
    Thanks again. :-)

    Noeline Hewitt

    Saturday 1st December 2018, 03:23AM
  • I found some more interesting information about the Dagg family that had been passed on to me from a cousin.

    It is as follows: 

    The Dagg family went to Ireland from England in the 17th Century and they settled firstly in the County Wicklow and County Wexford. Robert David Dagg is thought to have been born in County Meath, Ireland on the 30th August 1826.

    Part of his education took place at an Agricultural College in England and he was considered to be generally well read.

    As part of the Dagg history goes the Dagg family arrived in the UK from the Rhine Valley in Germany around 400 A.D.

    The family took up the King’s offer to Protestants of very cheap land in Ireland around the 1700s, an offer that went with the condition that those who accepted, kept their Protestant religion.

    The Dagg family were Presbyterians and those who took up the offer in Ireland did indeed keep that religion. According to the Dagg history document, those who went to Ireland settled in the Wicklow area where they became established (according to history that had been collected).

    Robert Dagg’s brother John went to England where he became a Banker and two cousins, one of unknown name and Sir David Dagg; ran away to sea. It is known that a Captain Dagg was the Master of a ship that plied the waters of the southern coast of the South Island of New Zealand, (either on survey work or as a whaler), about the time that Robert David Dagg and family came to New Zealand in 1856. It is known that “Dagg’s Sound” on the south west coast of the South Island was named after a Captain Dagg thought to be a Whaler but Robert’s cousin David, was later to become Sir David Dagg and a knighthood would be in keeping with a Royal Navy Captain who had done good Navy survey work and so it is possible the sound was named after him. 

    Robert David Dagg, left Ireland with his family under Lucinda’s maiden name although others say they travelled under an assumed name as did many immigrants in those times. Family history says that Robert had been accused of poaching either a rabbit or a trout from some Lord’s land or river in Ireland, and so was slated to be sent to Australia as punishment. To avoid that fate, he sent Lucinda to buy tickets to New Zealand; by implication, they were not short of money.  

    However, it may well be that Robert and family had intended going to New Zealand to make use of his Agricultural knowledge he gleaned at the Agricultural College in London earlier. The truth as to why they came to New Zealand is simply not known.

    They traveled on the Sailing Ship Westminster out of London in 1856 and it arrived at Port Nicholson (Wellington, New Zealand) on the 16th April 1856.  They travelled as Steerage passengers. No name of Dagg can be found on the ships passenger list or register as published online and nor is the name Wilson, Lucinda’s maiden name on that list.

    Noeline Hewitt

    Wednesday 5th December 2018, 04:46AM

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