I think there might be a bit of confusion here. Not sure what Mar's maiden name actually was but have never seen anything like Togaraul in this area. Eldest son born 1844 was William (not John James Harvey- he was born 1885 in Canada, son of William's brother John Forgrave born c1845). Other children in the family were Jane (c1849), Thomas (c1852), Robert (c1856), Sarah (c1853), Margaret (c1859 but baptised 1861), Elizabeth (c1861, baptised with Margaret), James (c1864), James (1867).
Margaret (neé Togaraul) Forgrave was born Presbyterian in Ireland, in about 1818. She married Thomas Forgrave, a farmer, in Ireland about 1842. They had William Forgrave about 1844, who immigrated to Ontario, Canada prior to 1868 where he married Elizabeth Scott; John Forgrave about 1845 who immigrated to Ontario, Canada before 1872 where he married Susanna Crozier; Jane "Jenny" Forgrave about 1849 who immigrated to Ontario, Canada in 1875 and married John McPhilimy in 1889; Thomas Forgrave in 1852 who lived in Mettican, Errigal, Derry most of his life and married Mary Jane Mitchell in Aghadowey Presbyterian Church in 1882, and after she passed away, married Leticia Cunningham in the same church in 1890; Sarah Forgrave in 1853, who married Thomas Paul in 1886 in Aghadowey Presbyterian Church; Robert Forgrave in 1856 and died in Coleraine, Derry as a bachelor in 1916; Margaret Elizabeth Forgrave in 1859 who married Knox (John Knox) Hutchinson in Aghadowey Presbyterian Church in 1879 and immigrated to Niles, OH, United States in 1920; Elizabeth Forgrave in 1861, who married Alexander Young in 1899 in Coleraine; James Forgrave in 1864 (who likely died before 1867); and another James Forgrave in 1867 who immigrated to Ontario, Canada in 1985 and married Elizabeth Miller in 1897.
We have been unable to locate any parent information for Margaret Torgaraul. She died about 1874 in Coleraine, Derry, Ireland.
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Date of Birth | 1st Jan 1818 (circa) | |
Date of Death | 1st Jan 1874 | VIEW SOURCE |
Spouse (First Name/s and Maiden/Surname) | Thomas Forgrave, a farmer | |
Number of Children | Ten | |
Names of Children | William Forgrave b. 1844 John Forgrave b 1845 Jane "Jenny" Forgrave b 1849 Thomas Forgrave b 1852 Sarah Forgrave b. 1853 Robert Forgrave b about 1856 Margaret Elizabeth Forgrave b. 18 June1859 Elizabeth b.1861 James b. 1864 James b 1867 | |
Place of Death | Coleraine, Derry, Ireland in 1874 | VIEW SOURCE |
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Aghadowey
Tuesday 26th May 2020 07:45PM -
Wow! Thank you for finding four additional children, and for getting better birth years!! I will add William, Sarah, Elizabeth, and the "first" James (I would think he might have passed away before the "second" James was born?)
I believe Jane and Jenny would be the same child (I had only an estimated birth year from a Canadian Record, but I know Jenny is often a nick name for Jane.
I had found a record for John Forgrave showing he was born in Hillside, Garvagh, Errigal in 1844/45 (maybe from Groni, as I can not locate it now.) and I believe it used all those names, and that the John James Harvey Forgrave born in Canada in 1885 would be a Junior.
In all the family records I have seen, I have only once seen Margaret's last name anything other than Forgrave. But on Margaret Forgrave Hutchinson's (the daughter's) death record, it lists what appears to be Togaraul (that is the image I uploaded, with her name in it) as her mother's maiden name. I had also seen one Canadian record listing the mother Margaret's first name as Margaritta. That made me think maybe she was of Italian descent (some of her descendents have a destinct "olive" complexion, that can not be explained by other marriages.)
We knew for sure that John and Margaret were brother and sister, as there are descendants who grew up with each other. That led us to find the others we had found. But wow! Thanks for finding the others!
Jules Osborn
Wednesday 27th May 2020 03:21AM