I understand that Phil Cunningham was a native of Moyvane (Newtownsandes) in North Kerry.
I have never heard of a 'Moyvane' place-name in the Molahiffe area.
Are you sure that you have the correct location?
Nicholas Leonard,
Abbeyfeale.
P.S. The following extract from The Kerryman Newspaper of 7th October 2004 will outline the Moyvane aspect:
...But not many people would know that Philip Cunningham, one of the leaders of the uprising by the Transported United Irishmen in Australia, was a native of Moyvane.
Philip Cunningham has been described as the Michael Collins of his time – he was head of the United Irishmen for Munster. He was eventually arrested in 1799, tried for ‘treason felony’ against the Crown – notably for planning the capture of Clonmel – and deported to Australia in 1800.
The Moyvane man, however, continued his revolutionary activities in Australia, leading a short rebellion against the British authorities – for which he was subsequently hanged.
In March this year Cunningham and his men were honoured in several ceremonies in Australia. The weekend of ceremonies in Kerry began on Friday night in Moyvane with a lecture from well-known historian Dr Ruan O’Donnell.
Dr O’Donnell spoke about the history of the era and the known history of Cunningham both in Ireland and Australia...
abbeylubber
Thursday, June 27, 2019, 23:10
Hi Nicholas,
What I found was that he was from an area called Glenn Liath, Moyvane in what is now Molahiffe civil parish. IrelandXO works on civil parishes so this seemed the most appropriate way to connect him with a modern parish as the other option would be to simply broaden it out to the entire county.
A very interesting character indeed.
Chronicles Editor
Friday, June 28, 2019, 07:22
Hi, Ireland Reaching Out team,
Moyvane was in 1837 part of Murhur/Murher/Murhir Civil Parish. It was probably the same when Phil Cunningham was born, and when he died in Australia in 1804 .
Glenlea - in Irish Gleann Liath (The Grey Glen)- is in Moyvane Parish in North Kerry; Phil Cunningham is still revered there as a local hero of the 1798 Rebellion, and later of the Castle Hill insurrection in Australia. He was transported after 1798 to Botany Bay, and led the Castle Hill Rebellion in March 1804. Whilst a truce was being held to parley with the military authorities, a Captain Laycock treacherously shot Cunningham in the back, and killed him.
Molahiffe Civil Parish is near Farranfore and Firies, Co. Kerry, a long way to the south from Moyvane, about 32 miles by road.
The only connection between the two places that I can see is that Molahiffe and Moyvane, in Irish, have the same first word: Molahiffe has Maigh Fhlaithimh and Moyvane has Maigh Mheáin. In addition, Murhur is Maigh Oirthir in Irish.
It would be incorrect to use Molahiffe as the Civil Parish for Moyvane. As well as being an impracticable arrangement, there is no evidence that Moyvane had any known connection, administrative or ecclesiastical, with Molahiffe. There were persons from North Kerry who held extensive lands in the Molahiffe area, though, but this did not change the Civil Parish.
The only correct option would be to use Murhur as the Civil Parish- or its older form, Murher, as this latter form of the name dates to 1596.
The oldest recorded different version goes back to 1426.
This would clear up ambiguity for persons searching for Moyvane connections.
Comments
I understand that Phil Cunningham was a native of Moyvane (Newtownsandes) in North Kerry.
I have never heard of a 'Moyvane' place-name in the Molahiffe area.
Are you sure that you have the correct location?
Nicholas Leonard,
Abbeyfeale.
P.S. The following extract from The Kerryman Newspaper of 7th October 2004 will outline the Moyvane aspect:
...But not many people would know that Philip Cunningham, one of the leaders of the uprising by the Transported United Irishmen in Australia, was a native of Moyvane.
Philip Cunningham has been described as the Michael Collins of his time – he was head of the United Irishmen for Munster. He was eventually arrested in 1799, tried for ‘treason felony’ against the Crown – notably for planning the capture of Clonmel – and deported to Australia in 1800.
The Moyvane man, however, continued his revolutionary activities in Australia, leading a short rebellion against the British authorities – for which he was subsequently hanged.
In March this year Cunningham and his men were honoured in several ceremonies in Australia. The weekend of ceremonies in Kerry began on Friday night in Moyvane with a lecture from well-known historian Dr Ruan O’Donnell.
Dr O’Donnell spoke about the history of the era and the known history of Cunningham both in Ireland and Australia...
abbeylubber
Thursday, June 27, 2019, 23:10Hi Nicholas,
What I found was that he was from an area called Glenn Liath, Moyvane in what is now Molahiffe civil parish. IrelandXO works on civil parishes so this seemed the most appropriate way to connect him with a modern parish as the other option would be to simply broaden it out to the entire county.
A very interesting character indeed.
Chronicles Editor
Friday, June 28, 2019, 07:22Hi, Ireland Reaching Out team,
Moyvane was in 1837 part of Murhur/Murher/Murhir Civil Parish. It was probably the same when Phil Cunningham was born, and when he died in Australia in 1804 .
Glenlea - in Irish Gleann Liath (The Grey Glen)- is in Moyvane Parish in North Kerry; Phil Cunningham is still revered there as a local hero of the 1798 Rebellion, and later of the Castle Hill insurrection in Australia. He was transported after 1798 to Botany Bay, and led the Castle Hill Rebellion in March 1804. Whilst a truce was being held to parley with the military authorities, a Captain Laycock treacherously shot Cunningham in the back, and killed him.
Molahiffe Civil Parish is near Farranfore and Firies, Co. Kerry, a long way to the south from Moyvane, about 32 miles by road.
The only connection between the two places that I can see is that Molahiffe and Moyvane, in Irish, have the same first word: Molahiffe has Maigh Fhlaithimh and Moyvane has Maigh Mheáin. In addition, Murhur is Maigh Oirthir in Irish.
It would be incorrect to use Molahiffe as the Civil Parish for Moyvane. As well as being an impracticable arrangement, there is no evidence that Moyvane had any known connection, administrative or ecclesiastical, with Molahiffe. There were persons from North Kerry who held extensive lands in the Molahiffe area, though, but this did not change the Civil Parish.
The only correct option would be to use Murhur as the Civil Parish- or its older form, Murher, as this latter form of the name dates to 1596.
The oldest recorded different version goes back to 1426.
This would clear up ambiguity for persons searching for Moyvane connections.
Best wishes,
Nicholas Leonard.
Abbeyfeale.
abbeylubber
Thursday, July 4, 2019, 17:45Thanks for that Nicholas.
Chronicles Editor
Friday, July 5, 2019, 07:16