I have a puzzle that I'm hoping some kind person on this site can help me solve:
I have a traceable and DNA provable line back to Alexander Robinson (Abt 1780 - 1866) of Ballymena, Antrim. I also have a pile of DNA matches that all have the common ancestor Samuel Robinson (1782 - 1860) of Ballymoney, Antrim, who I cannot link to my tree. If these two men were brothers or first cousins, my DNA matches would all make sense, but I can't find documentation to prove it.
Does anyone have either of these men in their tree or documentation that could show their relationship?
This is what I know about Alexander Robinson:
wife - Mary (possibly Wilson) Children: Jenny 1808; James 1809; Nancy (Agnes) 1814; Sarah, Olive Jane, Alexander, Mary Holliday
This is what I know about Samuel Robinson:
wife Mary young; Children: John 1816; Samuel 1819; James 1823; Robert 1823; Samuel 1825; Eleanor 1829 and Jane 1831
Thanks everyone. Fingers crossed!
Gwynn Scheltema
Saturday 2nd Jan 2021, 06:48PMMessage Board Replies
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I think it may be difficult to establish any connection between these 2 families due to the general lack of records for the era you need (ie late 1700s). Plus Robinson is a very common name in Co Antrim. There were 3000 Robinsons in the 1901 census of Co. Antrim, and it will have been just as common in the early 1800s.
I had a look at Millar’s census of Ballymoney town 1810-1814 and there’s a Samuel Robinson in Main St (West Side) Ballymoney who was a leather cutter. He was the only Samuel Robinson in the town and was Presbyterian.
Rev Park conducted another census of the whole parish of Ballymoney in 1817. There was only 1 Samuel Robinson then too but he was married to Margaret and had 2 daughters Jean & Elizabeth, so doesn't seem to fit.
I have had a look at some of the trees on Ancestry which contain this family. Some of the information looks a bit unreliable, (people born and married all over the place, and in one case someone has Samuel Robinson in a record for Kilwaughter 2 years after his death). But one of the trees indicates the family may have farmed in Culcrum. That’s in the parish of Loughguile, not Ballymoney. However there was a Samuel Robinson farming there in 1832 according to the tithes and he died there on 5th Feb 1860 according to the Londonderry sentinel for 24th Feb 1860. That death matches some of the trees.
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/killagan-pari…
I found this marriage for a Mary Robinson daughter of Samuel Robinson (who I would guess was the son of Samuel born 1825). She married in Ballyweaney church. So that might be the family church. Unfortunately if it is, they have no baptisms before 1862 and no marriages before 1845. (Presbyterian churches generally don’t keep burial records). But it might be where to look for family gravestones.
Here’s what looks to be her parents marriage, also in Ballyweaney, in 1860:
This looks to be the Robinson family in Culcrum in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Killagan/Culcrum/944555/
and 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Killagan/Culcrum/128315/
There are some probate abstracts and wills for this family in PRONI in Belfast:
The Will of Samuel Robinson late of Culcrum in the County of Antrim Farmer deceased who died 5 February 1860 at Culerum aforesaid was proved at Belfast by the oaths of William Wallace of Broughanor and William Huston of Ballyportery both in said County Farmers two of the Executors.
The Will of James Robinson late of Culcrum County Antrim Farmer deceased who died 7 October 1867 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oaths of James M'Neill of Drumrankin and Samuel Robinson of Culcrum both in (Cloughmills) said County Farmers the Executors.
The Will of James Christy Robinson late of Culcrum County Antrim Farmer who died 2 July 1885 at same place was proved at Belfast by William Mannis Dunlop of Mounthamilton in said County Farmer the sole Executor.
Robinson Robert of Drumavaddy Culcrum county Antrim farmer died 1 November 1937 Probate Belfast 3 March to Robert Robinson civil engineer and James Baird farmer. Effects £675 1s. 1d.
Robinson David John Megaaw of Culcrum Cloughmills county Antrim farmer and funeral undertaker died 22 November 1942 Administration (in triplicate) Belfast 11 May to Annie Mairs Robinson the widow. Effects £8419 13s. 10d.
Robinson, David Crawford of Culcrum Ballymena county Antrim farmer and funeral director died 26 May 1963 Administration Belfast 17 September to Eleanor Georgina Robinson the widow. Effects £22417 1s.
The 3 earlier wills are on-line on the PRONI wills site. For the latter 3 you would need get PRONI to copy them or get someone to go there for you (when it re-opens as it closed by COVID at present).
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/willscalendar_ie/WillsSearchResults.aspx
It looks as though there were Robinsons still farming there in the 1960s.
I am not sure where you can go with this research. Perhaps you have checked to see if there are still Robinsons in Culcrum today? But even if there are, I’d be astonished if they knew anything about the antecedents of their ancestor born in 1782. Most families here in ireland could go back about 3 generations ie to c 1900 after which it gets a bit fuzzy, unless there is a genealogist in the family. And as I say there are no records for the 1700s from which to establish Samuel Robinson’s ancestors.
Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
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Thank you so much Elwyn! I really appreciate this information. I will check out all these links and see What I find. Thanks again.
Gwynn Scheltema