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I am a genealogist in the US assisting a client in researching his family in Ireland. The family of seven, mother and father, plus five chidren emigrated from Ireland on the ship the Wave and landed in at Castle Garden, NY on 18 November 1853. Names are Laurence Markey, b. about 1803; Esther "Essy" (Quin or Quinn), b. abt 1813; James, b.abt 1835; Jeremiah, b. about 1837; Patrick, b. abt 1839; Laurence jr., b. Jan. 1840; Mary, b. abt 1845. I have uploaded the ship's manifest.

At the irishgenealogy.ie website, database for baptism, I found the record for Laurence, in the St. Nicholas parish. Citation is page 33 of "DU-RC-BA-768122 st.nicholas_mf_1838-1853_ba_0020". The sponsors were Michael Murphy and Margt Kenny.

I am not sure if  the parish would have been the St.Nicholas of Myra within or without walls, so I will post to both message boards.  I have attached the record the baptismal record.

My question: If possible, I would like to locate baptismal records for the other children, and marriage record for the parents. Also, my client would like to visit the area of his 3rd g-grandfather, Laurence and 3rd g-grandmother Esther (Quin) if this is possible.

Thanks in advance for an advice that you might be able to offer to further my research to help this person,

Jerry Carbone

Whetstone Brook Genealogy

Brattleboro, Vt. 

WhetstoneBrook

Sunday 27th January 2019, 09:15PM

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  • The Catholic parish of St. Nicholas covered parts of a number of Civil and Church of Ireland parishes - including both St. Nicholas Within and St. Nicholas Without, along with St. Luke's, St. Kevin's, St. Patrick's, parts of St. Peter's etc. The Catholic parish church was located on Francis Street, and there is still a church at the same location which is dedicated to  St.Nicholas of Myra.

    The early baptism records do not include detailed residences so unless Laurence snr. had an occuaption or trade that might be included in a directory there would probably be no way to establish an exact address for them.

    I found some additional baptisms for children of Laurence Markey snr, and Esther/Esst Quinn - in St. Pauls Catholic parish, on the north side of the city, I'll put together the details an reply here ..

    shanew147, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 27th January 2019, 10:35PM
  • additional St. Paul's RC baptisms :

    Cath. Markey (1) bapt. Oct 1834 (exact date unclear - see left page towards the end of the October entries)
    Mary Markey bapt. 6 Feb 1843 (right page, see last entry for the 6th)
    Catherine Markey (2) bapt. 31st December 1845 (left page - see entry ref. 11598)

    all with parents Laurence Markey and Esther Quinn, the 1st Catherine probably died young.

    I checked for possible marriages for Laurence and Esther in Dublin but no promising matches, also widened the search without any success - possibly they married in some parish outside the city or a parish in a different county where the records dont go back far enough.

    for reference some of the streets in the Catholic parish of St. NIcholas/Francis Street :

      Bride Street, Patrick Street, The Coombe, New Street, Francis Street etc

    and St. Paul's RC - the parish church was on Arran Quay and as with St. Nicholas covered a number of civil parishes - St. Paul's, Grangegorman parts of St. Michan's and parts of Glasnevin stretching out into county Dublin.

     (Arran Quay), North King Street, Queen Street, Constitution Hill, Prussia Street, Manor Street etc

     

    shanew147, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 27th January 2019, 11:10PM
  • Thank you so much for your prompt reply and great information, especially the description of the St Nicholas parish and churches within its boundaries.

     

    I just have two followup questions. Since this family left Dublin in 1853, I am wondering if the cause was due to the after effects of the Great Famine or was it something else. Might you hazard a guess or direct me to a history of Dublin that might address the question in a historical context? 

    My second question is the availability of City Directores for Dublin between 1830-1850 so that I might pinpoint where the family lived.  Do you know if these are searcheable. I do not see any content on either Ancestry.com, FindMyPast.com, nor familysearch.org. FS has something called Thom's official directory of Ireland .. but only for the early 20th century.

    Again, thanks again for the links to the records. It was very helpful to me and my client will be quite happy

    Best

     

    Jerry

    WhetstoneBrook

    Monday 28th January 2019, 07:27PM
  • Dublin city and the east coast in general did not suffer from the effects of the famine is much as the west and south west of Ireland, the populations of some areas in the east actually increased, although much of this in urban areas was due to migration .. I would think that this Mackey/Quinn family probably were just looking for a better opportunities, maybe following some friends or family who had left for the US in earlier years ?

    The directories to check for the years 1830 to 1850 for Dublin City would be the Treble Almanac/Wilsons directory, Pettigrew & Oulton & Thom's  (1844 onward). I have a collection of these and have been checking and have located a possible match in Pettigrew & Oulton's 1834 Directory - a Laurence Markey, huxter at 9 LIffey Street West - you can view a scanned image of this page at this link.  The 1835 edition of the directory also shows him at this address, this time listed as a provision dealer. Laurence is not listed at the Liffey Street West address in the 1840 directory - just numbers 1 to 7 appear, there's no sign of Laurence in the alphabetical index for 1840 either. Working backwards I also checked 1829 Wilson's directory (part of the Treble Almanac) but no Markeys included in that. (Wilson's directory does not have a street listing).

    I'll check the location of this Liffey Street West and update here ...there were a number of separate LIffey Streets in the city at that time - Upper, Lower and West..
     

    shanew147, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 29th January 2019, 09:55AM
  • Liffey Street West was, and still is, on the north side of Dublin City to the west of the city and close to the River LIffey. It is located in St. Paul's Civil parish - so also St. Paul's Catholic parish.In the 1830s/1840 it ran from Barrack Street south towards the RIver Liffey - the first proper quays built at the south of Liffey Street West was originally named Albert Quay, but is now called Wolfe Tone Quay.

    I've attached extracts from several maps below - the first is from Pettigrew & Oulton 1840 - Liffey Street West is shown but not captioned, a full version of this map can be viewed at this link.
    The next attached image shows an extract of the slightly later 1st Edition OSI (Ordnance Survey of Ireland) map c1845 shows the street and the new quay, Liffey Street West is named but right under a map crease, and the c1900 OSI map shows the street and Albert quay captioned.

    I've also attached an extract from a Dublin City 1830 Valuation list showing LIffey Street West - no Markeys listed but gives an idea on the types of buildings on the street at that time.

    The buildings currently on the Liffey Street West are all modern unfortunately, the area to the west of the street is now Croppies Acres Memorial Park - commemorating it's historical use as burial ground following 1798 rebellion, see the entry on The National Inventory of Architectural Heritage/BuildingsOfIreland website

    shanew147, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 29th January 2019, 10:51AM

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  • Shanew147

    Thank you again for this information that will draw my client into the hear of where his ancestors lived.  I just want to make sure of what you searched: you checked the alphabetical index for the Pettigrew and Oulton directory going back from 1840 to 1829,  but only found Laurence Markey mentioned twice, once in 1834 and then again in 1835, but no other listings in those Dublin directories. 

    If my clients want to plan a vacation to Ireland this summer to visit this area and perhaps arrange a tour to the church and areas where Laurence may lived, would they be able to get assistance through Ireland XO?

    Thank you once again, 

     

    Sincerely,

    Jerry Carbone

    WhetstoneBrook

    Saturday 2nd February 2019, 07:06PM
  • Pettigrew & Oulton's directory started in 1834, so the earlier searches were in Wilson's Dublin Directory (part of the "Treble Almanac").

    Just to confirm some of the directories checked either side of 1834/1835.

    Thom's 1848 - not at LIffey Street West, not in alphabetical index
    Pettigrew & Oulton 1847 - not at LIffey Street West, (there's no alphabetical index)
    Pettigrew & Oulton 1845 - no sign at LIffey Street West, (no alphabetical index)
    Pettigrew & Oulton 1840 - not listed at LIffey Street West, no sign in alphabetical index
    [P&O 1834 & 1835...]
    Wilson's Directory of Merchant & Traders 1829 - several Mackey/Mackie listings but no Laurance (no street listing)
    Wilson's Directory of Merchant & Traders 1813 and 1814 - several Mackey listings but no Laurance (no street listing)

    Laurence and his family could have been living at Liffey St. West during some of his timeframe, but not the principle householder/business and so not mentioned in the directories.

    shanew147, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 4th February 2019, 02:58PM
  • If this family plan on visiting Dublin they can contact me at --------, or post a new query here on Ireland Reaching Out. 

    shanew147, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 8th March 2019, 02:50PM
  • Thank you. I will send this information along to them.

    Best

     

    Jerry

    WhetstoneBrook

    Friday 8th March 2019, 07:27PM