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Dagg Connections

Tracing connections of the Dagg familiy especially Annie/Anna Lewis Dagg b1880-d1961 and her parents and grandparents.

 

Noeline Hewitt

Thursday 23rd July 2020, 04:49AM

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  • Hello Noeline,

    I located Annie Dagg’s civil registration birth record at the free irishgenealogy.ie website, which shows she was born in the townland of Knigh, County Tipperary on 3 January 1880. For some reason, her first name Annie and middle name, Elizabeth, were crossed through and not corrected by the registrar who recorded her birth.

    Annie’s father is Thomas Dagg, a farmer residing in Knigh. Her mother is Frances Jane Dagg, formerly Lewis. The person who was present at the birth and who reported the birth to the local registrar looks like Judith Kelleher, though her name is a little difficult to read. Her residence looks like Manaleen, or Monaleen, though I couldn’t find a town close to Knigh by the name of Manaleen or Monaleen. In any event, Judith Kelleher was likely the midwife who delivered Annie.

    The name of the registrar who recorded the birth appears to be Francis Cahalan, but once again his name is difficult to decipher because of the handwriting. He recorded Annie’s birth in the Nenagh Registration District on 20 January 1880. A copy of Annie’s birth is the last entry in the attached birth register.

    Annie was born in Knigh, Tipperary. You can viw Knigh on an Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 to 1842 time period at the GeoHive website link at: https://bit.ly/3g5UiZd

    You can also see Knigh on an Ordnance Survey Map from the 1888 to 1913 time period at the GeoHive website link: https://bit.ly/2P2JbnY

    A Google Map shows that Knigh, by the shortest modern day route, is 4.1 miles north of Nenagh: https://is.gd/5DGClb

    For a Google Street View of Knigh, go to: https://is.gd/29VjH6

    Your main interest appears to be in Annie’s mother Frances Jane Lewis Dagg. I looked for the civil registration marriage record for Thomas Dagg and Frances Jane Lewis at the irishgenealogy.ie website. By way of explanation, civil registration began in Ireland in 1845 when the government recorded Protestant and civil marriages only. Catholic marriages were not recorded at this time. Registration of births, marriages, and death for all religious denominations were recorded by the government beginning in 1864.

    If Thomas Dagg and Frances Lewis were of a Protestant denomination, there should be a civil registration marriage record for them. To find out if I could discover their religious affiliation, I looked for them and their children in the 1901 Irish census, and found them. They and their children, including their daughter, 21 year old A Lewis (I believe this pertains to Annie) are shown to be, “Residents of a house 9 in Bredagh (Lorrha West, Tipperary).” House 9 does not refer to a house number but to the number of the census form. The Dagg family are shown to belong to the Protestant Church of Ireland. You can view a transcription of the Dagg family in the 1901 census at the following link from the National Archives of Ireland:
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Lorrha_West/B...

    Once you access the transcription, make sure to click on, “Show all information” to view the full census. You can also access a copy of the original 1901 census for the Dagg family at the National Archives of Ireland link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003886970/

    The census shows that in the household with Thomas, Frances, and their children is a nephew, 7 year old Willie Lewis, who was probably the son of Frances’s brother.

    With the information from the 1901 census that Thomas and Frances had belonged to the Church of Ireland, I looked for their civil marriage record at the irishgenealogy.ie website and found it. They were married in the Ballymackey, Tipperary Church of Ireland on February 13, 1878. At the time of marriage both were of “full age,” meaning 21 years of age or older. Thomas had been a Bachelor and Frances Jane a Spinster. These terms mean they hadn’t been previously married. Thomas’s occupation was farmer. His residence at the time of marriage was Pallas, Civil Parish of Youghalarra. His father is also named Thomas Dagg, and was a farmer.

    No occupation is recorded for Frances. Her residence at the time of marriage was the townland of Clash, Civil Parish of Ballymackey. This makes sense as Church of Ireland (as well as Catholic marriages), traditionally took place in the bride’s parish. Frances’s father is Thomas Lewis, a farmer.

    Thomas and Frances were married by a clergyman by the name of Richard Bathoe Jones. The witnesses to the marriage were John A Lewis and Thomas Dagg, who were probably the brothers of the bride and groom respectively. The marriage record is attached to this reply.

    Unfortunately, civil marriage records do not give the names of the mothers of the bride and groom.

    You can see the location of the Ballymackey Church of Ireland on an Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 to 1842 time period at the following GeoHive website link: https://bit.ly/3f0PyTB

    Another Ordnance Survey Map from the 1888 to 1913 time period, also from GeoHive shows the Church of Ireland in Ballymackey is called St. Michael’s: https://bit.ly/3g1szsK

    A Google Map shows there are two Church of Ireland churches in Ballymackey, but the map appears to be mistaken, as I could only find one Church of Ireland in Ballymackey, which is the same one as seen in the Ordnance Survey Maps. The Church of Ireland just to the left of the “Field of Blooms” on the Google Map would be St. Michael’s Church: https://is.gd/xP4spn

    A Google Map shows that Clash, where Frances was living at the time of her marriage, is just west of Ballymackey, while Pallas, where Thomas was living at the time of marriage, is 17.4 miles north of Ballymackey: https://is.gd/wcZY22

    For a Google Street View of Clash, see: https://is.gd/g3HnEB

    For a Google Street View just outside of Pallas, go to: https://is.gd/plCMEB

    There will not be a Civil Registration birth record for Frances Lewis, as she would have been born before civil registration commenced in Ireland in 1864. Also unfortunate is that early Ballymackey Church of Ireland baptism records were destroyed in the Four Courts Fire in Dublin during the Irish Civil War in 1922.

    However, the website Rootsireland, shows that Church of Ireland baptisms for the Ballymackey Church of Ireland are available from 1877 to 1911, while marriages are extent from 1845 to 1911 and death records from 1878 to 1911. What this means is that if you take out one of RootsIreland subscription packages, you would at least be able to look for the Ballymackey Church of Ireland transcription for the 1878 marriage of Thomas Dagg and Frances Lewis.

    Concerning Annie Lewis Dagg who was born in Knigh in 1880, there will not be a Church of Ireland baptism record in the Knigh Church of Ireland, as these registers of baptism at RootsIreland show the Knigh baptisms commence in 1886, though the baptisms of Annie’s siblings born after 1885 in Knigh, may be in the Knigh Church of Ireland baptisms. In the RootsIreland list of Church of Ireland parishes, Knigh will be found under the parish “Monsea/Dromineer/Knogh/Cloghprior.” I’m not sure why Knigh is spelled as Knogh in this list. You can see the locations of Monsea, Dromineer, Knigh, and Cloghprior in Tipperary on a Google Map at: https://is.gd/4NEMli

    You can see what other Church of Ireland baptisms, marriages, and deaths are available for County Tipperary North at the RootsIreland link at: https://rootsireland.ie/tipperarynorth/online-sources.php

    You will have to scroll down past the Catholic Church records for North Tipperary before arriving at the parishes for the Church of Ireland.

    You can take out a one day, one month, 6 month, or 1 year subscription at RootsIreland. See their website for more information.

    Having been married in the year 1878, I figured that Thomas Dagg and Frances Lewis were born sometime in the mid to late 1850s, which means their parents may have been married between 1845 and 1860. What I did at this point is look for the marriage of a Thomas Lewis in the Nenagh, Knigh, Clash, Ballymackey, areas of Tipperary North. I only found one marriage record. This is for the marriage of Thomas Lewis and Ellen Guest, who were married in the Cloghjordan Church of Ireland on February 20, 1855. Both were of full age at the time of the marriage and neither had been married before. Thomas’s occupation was farmer. His residence at the time of marriage was “Behemore,” though on a Google Map this town is spelled, “Behamore.”

    Thomas’s father is “Willm,” that is, William Lewis, also a farmer.

    No occupation is recorded for Ellen Guest in the marriage record. Her residence at the time of marriage was, Garawn,” spelled “Grawn,” on a Google Map. The marriage record further shows that Thomas and Ellen were married by license by the Rev. Hutchinson. The witnesses to the marriage were James Lewis and John Cesar.

    The marriage record is attached to this reply.

    The townland of Cloghjordan is also spelled Cloughjordan. At the time of the marriage in 1855, Cloghjordan was in the Civil Parish of Modreeny. RootsIreland has Modreeny Church of Ireland baptisms from 1846 to 1911; marriages from 1845 to 1911; and deaths from 1827 to 1911. Church of Ireland parish registers of marriage will be very similar to civil registration marriages, as they contain much the same information as the civil marriage records.

    An Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 to 1842 time period shows the location of the Church of Ireland in Cloghjordan. It is labeled, “Church” on the map, which is from the GeoHive website: https://bit.ly/3hxPwnN

    A Google Map of Cloughjordan shows the name of the Church of Ireland is St. Kieran, which is closed now due to the Covid 19 virus: https://is.gd/srTEN2

    For a Google Street View of St. Kieran’s Church of Ireland in Cloughjordan, see: https://is.gd/4KDlNH

    The National Inventory of Architectural Heritage/Buildings of Ireland website shows that St. Kieran’s Church of Ireland in Cloughjordan was constructed in the year 1837. See: https://is.gd/PW9JNu

    On another Google Map you can see the locations of Cloughjordan, Behamore and Grawn, in relation to the townlands of Ballymackey, Clash, Knigh, Nenagh, as well as the townland of Bredagh, where the family of Thomas and Frances Lewis were recorded in the 1901 census: https://is.gd/XmhukI

    For a Google Street View of Behamore see: https://is.gd/c3SPvj

    And for a Google Street View of the road leading to Grawn, see: https://is.gd/PUDc7S

    If you do not want to take out one of the RootsIreland subscription packages to access available Church of Ireland registers, you can write another query to IrelandXO Reaching Out, and ask if someone with a subscription can look up the 1880 baptism for Annie Lewis Dagg in the Monsea, Dromineer, Knigh, and Cloghprior Church of Ireland registers, as well as look for the the 1878 marriage for Thomas Dagg and Frances Lewis in the Modreeny (Cloghjordan) Church of Ireland parish registers.

    The marriage record for Thomas Lewis and Ellen Guest is only circumstantial evidence that they were the parents of Frances Jane Lewis and grandparents of Annie Lewis Dagg. It is circumstantial evidence because no previous record has tuned up showing who Frances’s mother was. But this circumstantial evidence does present a case that Thomas Lewis and Ellen Guest may have been the parents of Frances Jane Lewis.

    Have you come across the surname “Guest” in your research?

    Frances Lewis would have been born before 1864. But if Frances was baptized in the Modreeny/Cloghjordan Church of Ireland, her baptism record may be available in the church registers. Church of Ireland baptism records did not traditionally record the maiden name of the child’s mother, but did record her first name, though I have seen exceptions to this whereby the full name of the child’s mother was recorded.

    Going back to the family of Thomas Dagg and Frances Lewis Dagg, I looked for them and their children in the 1911 census, and found the family still living Bredagh. But, the 1911 census shows that 60 year old Frances J. Dagg is a widow. She and her 3 adult sons in the household all belonged to the Church of Ireland. All could read and write. Frances’s occupation is farmer, which was also the occupation of her unmarried sons, 32 year old Thomas; 26 year old Adam; and 23 year old William. Also in the household is 8 year old Frances Johnstone, who is shown to be the granddaughter of Frances Dagg. Frances Johnstone is shown to be a “Scholar,” that is, a student. Like everyone else in the household she belonged to the Church of Ireland. You can view the 1911 census transcription for the household of Frances Dagg at the following National archives of Ireland link: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Lorrha_West/B...

    To access a copy of the original 1911 census for the Dagg Household go to: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003364439/

    Frances’s husband Thomas Dagg was in the 1901 census, which means he died between 1901 and 1911. I looked for his death record at the irishgenealogy.ie website and found it. Thomas died in Bredagh on September 13, 1903 at the age of 54 years. At the time of death he was a farmer. The cause of death was, “Sarcoma. Debility 11 Weeks. Certified.” The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the local registrar was his son Adam, who resided in Bredagh. The local registrar, whose name appears to be Robert Boxwell, recorded Thomas’s death in the Borrisokane Registration District on September 28, 1903. Thomas’s death is number 30, or the last death recorded in the attached death record.

    The person in the 1911 census that I was curious about was Frances Dagg’s granddaughter, 8 year old Frances Johnstone. She would be the daughter of one of Thomas and Frances’s daughters. The 1901 census shows Thomas and Frances had 2 daughters, including 21 year old A Lewis, who would be Annie Lewis Dagg; and 18 year old Lily Dagg. I suspected that Frances Johnston would be Annie’s daughter, but wasn’t 100 percent sure of that. I also wondered if Frances’s’ last name was Johnston, rather than Johnstone.

    At 7 years old age in 1911, Frances Johnstone would have been born circa 1903, if her age in the census was accurate. I looked for her birth record at the irishgenealogy.ie website. I located the birth record for Frances Annie Matilda Johnston, who was born in Woodbank, Kings County (today County Offaly) on 27 September 1902. Her father is Joseph Johnston, a farmer residing in Woodbank. Her mother is Annie Lewis Johnston, formerly Dagg. Joseph the father reported the birth to the local registrar, whose name I couldn’t make out. The registrar recorded the birth in the Birr Registration District on 17 November 1902. In the left margin of the birth record is a note that reads, “Clerical omission in Column 3. Corrected on the 7th November 1972 by me Anne Crawley for Supt. Registrar on the authority of the ard Chlaraitheora. Baptismal certificate produced.”

    The birth record is attached, and is Number 266 in the register. You’ll see in the birth record an X to the right of Frances’s name. This signifies that her actual first name Frances was omitted when the birth record was compiled back in 1902, but then corrected by Anne Craley on the authority of the ard Chlaraitheora, Irish for the Registrar General.

    So now we know that the Frances Johnstone in the 1911 census with her grandmother Frances Dagg, was the daughter of Annie Lewis Dagg Johnston, and Joseph Johnston of Woodbank, Kings County.

    The natural progression of the research at this point was to look for the marriage of Annie Lewis Dagg and Joseph Johnston. I found their civil marriage record at irishgenealogy.ie website showing the marriage took place in the Lorrah Church of Ireland on October 30, 1901. At the time of marriage Joseph was of “full age,” while Annie Lewis Dagg was 21. Neither had been previously married.

    At the time of marriage Joseph had been a farmer living in Woodbank, Shannon Bridge, Clonmacnoise, Kings County. His father is William Johnston, also a farmer. Annie’s address at the time of marriage was Drommond House, Lorrah. The name of the Church of Ireland Rector who married the couple looks like Le B H.E. French.
    The witnesses to the marriage were Thomas Dagg and Adam Williams. The marriage record is attached to this reply.

    Earlier you saw 21 year old A Lewis residing with her family in Bredagh, Lorra West, Tipperary. The census was taken on 31 March, which means that Annie was married 7 months later. Her residence according to the marriage record was Drommand House Lorra.

    A Google Map shows that Bredagh and Lorrha, Tipperary, are 22 miles south of Woodbank in present-day County Offaly, formerly Kings County: https://is.gd/hNpycq

    For a Google Street View of Woodbank, see: https://is.gd/JhtFIk

    RootsIreland holds Lorra Church of Ireland baptisms from 1877 to 1911; marriages from 1846 to 1911; and deaths from 1880 to 1885. The Lorrah marriage record for Joseph and Annie should be in these registers, as would the baptism records of any of their children born up to 1911.

    Speaking of 1911, I next looked for and found 50 year old Joseph Johnston and his 31 year old wife Annie Lewis Johnston and their children in the 1911 census, which shows they are the “Residents of a house 2 in Killaphort (Shannon Bridge, King's Co.).”

    The census shows that the family belonged to the Church of Ireland. Joseph’s occupation is farmer. He and Annie could both read and write, while none of their 5 children could read. The census line for Annie shows that she and Joseph, as of 1911, had been married for 10 years, and in that time had 8 children, with 5 of those children still alive.

    The children are 8 year old Susan Charters Johnston; 6 year old Annie Lewis Johnston; 4 year old William Henry Johnston; 2 year old Thomas Synclair Johnston; and Violet Primrose Johnston, whose age is not given in the census transcription. When the age of a child is missing in the census transcription, it means the child is less than a year old, as you’ll see in a copy of the original census, which shows that Violet was 7 months old. Violet’s gender in the 1911 census, you’ll also notice, is given as “Male,” rather than female.

    You can view a transcription of the 1911 census at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/King_s_Co_/Shannon_Brid...

    To view a copy of the original 1911 census for the Johnston family, go to: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002642635/

    If the 1911 census is accurate, 50 year old Joseph would have been 19 years older than his 31 year old wife Annie Lewis Johnston. Their 1901 marriage record gives Joseph as being of “full age,” while Annie was 21, meaning that Joseph would have been 40 years old when he and Annie married.

    While at the irishgenealogy.ie website I found that Annie Lewis Dagg Johnston’s mother, Frances Jane Dagg had died at the age of 64. She died in Portland, Tipperary on October 3, 1912. At the time of death she was a widow. The cause of death was, “malignant disease of larynx 6 weeks. Uncertified. No. Med Attn.” The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the local registrar was her son Adam, of Portland. The local registrar, F.S. Brennan, recorded the death in the Borrisokane registration District on November 29 1912. Frances’s death is Number 279 in the attached death register.

    A Google Map shows that Portland, Tipperary is only 1.5 miles west of Bredagh: https://is.gd/MNar7l

    For a Google Street View of Bredagh, go to: https://is.gd/afB83f

    For a Google Street View of the bohereen leading to Portland, go to: https://is.gd/YyDY3A

    After finding the death record for Farnces Jane Dagg, I next looked for the deaths of Joseph and Annie Lewis Johnston at the irishgenealogy.ie website. I found the death records for both.

    Joseph died in Woodbank on 25 September 1917 at the age of 65. The death record shows he was married and had been a farmer at the time of death. The cause of death at first was very difficult to decipher because of the handwriting, but after enlarging the death certificate I found that he died of “malignant disease of intestine. 1 Year. Certified.” The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the local registrar was Patrick Kenny. His relation to Joseph is not recorded in the death record, which was recorded by the registrar, J. Dalton, in the Birr Registration District in 2 October 1917. Joseph’s death record is the first one recorded in the attached death register.

    Joseph’s wife, Anna Lewis Johnston died at Smithfield House, Ballinagar, Tullamore, County Offaly on 21 March 1960 at the age of 80. The death record shows she was a widow and had been a housewife at the time of death. The cause of death was, “Pulmonary Embolism. Cardiac failure. Pneumonia. Certified.” The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the local registrar was Anna’s daughter, Lucy Williams, of Smithfield House. I could not make out the last name of the assistant registrar who recorded the death, but her first name looks like Charlotte. The death was recorded in the Tullamore Registration District on 29 March 1960. Annie’s death record is the last one recorded, at Number 193 in the attached death register.

    I next looked for but did not find a birth record at the irishgenealogy.ie website for a daughter named Lucy Johnston, whose father was Joseph and whose mother was Annie Dagg. But I did find the civil registration marriage record for a William Frederick Williams and Lucy Catherine Johnston who were married in the Church of Ireland Parish Church of Tissaran on 19 January 1938. Both William and Lucy were of full age at the time of marriage and had not been married before. William’s occupation was farmer. His address at the time of marriage was Lismore, Eyrecourt. His father was Thomas Williams, a farmer. No occupation is recorded for Lucy. Her address at the time of marriage was Woodbank. Her father was Joseph Johnston, a farmer.

    William and Lucy were married by license by a clergyman whose name appears to be Lionel E. Eccles. The witnesses to the marriage were Annie Lewis Johnston, who would likely have been Lucy’s sister, and Thomas Evan Williams, who may have been William’s brother.

    The marriage record just under William’s and Lucy’s is for Richard John Dagg and Annie Lewis Johnston. They were married in the Church of Ireland Parish Church of Tissaran on 26 April 1939. Both were of full age and both had not been married before. Richard’s occupation was Manufacturer. He was from Nenagh. His father is Richard Dagg, a Manufacturer.

    No occupation is recorded for Annie Lewis Johnston, whose residence is Woodbank. Her father is Joseph Johnston, a farmer. The same clergyman who married William Frederick Williams and Lucy Catherine Johnston, Lionel Eccles, also married Richard and Annie. The witnesses to the marriage were T.S. Johnston and Lucy Williams. The marriages are Numbers 78 and 79 in the attached marriage register. I suspect that Annie Lewis Johnston and Richard John Dagg were cousins.

    Annie Lewis Johnson was 6 years old in the 1911 census, which means she would have been born in 1905 and which also means that in 1939, she would have been 34 years old when she married. I found her birth record at irishgenealogy.ie, which shows she was born in Woodbank, Charleston, on 30 August 1905. Her father is Joseph Johnston, a farmer from Woodbank, Charleston. Her mother is Annie Lewis Johnston, formerly Dagg. Joseph reported the birth to the local registrar, whose name I couldn’t make out because the writing is faded. Annie’s birth was recorded in the Birr Registration District on 25 September 1905. Her birth record is Number 10 in the attached register.

    In going through the civil registration birth records for the children of Joseph Johnston and Annie Lewis Dagg Johnston, I noticed that I could locate only 5 Johnston children whose mother’s maiden name was Dagg. The 1911 census shows that Joseph and Annie had 10 children. The births of 10 children could have been inaccurate in the census, but being off by 5 children, I thought, was a little too inaccurate. In going through the birth records I discovered an anomaly. I found that in 5 of the birth records the maiden name of the children’s mother was Lewis, rather than Dagg. In other words, Annie’s middle name of Lewis was substituted for her actual maiden name of Dagg in the 5 birth records.

    I also found that Joseph and Annie had twin girls who died soon after they were born. The twins did not live long enough however, to give them names, as I also found their death records.

    Below are the indexes for the births of the 10 Johnston children, with five whose mother’s maiden name is recorded as Dagg, four with the maiden name of Lewis, and one with the maiden name of “Lewes.” As you’ll see two of the children were born after the 1911 census was recorded. I’ve also included the 1905 birth index for Annie Johnston, whose full birth record is noted above, and which is also attached to this reply.

    The birth indexes are from the irishgenealogy.ie website. All the births were recorded in the Birr Registration District:

    Name FRANCES ANNIE MATILDA JOHNSTON
    Date of Birth 27 September 1902
    Group Registration ID 7176540
    SR District/Reg Area Birr
    Sex Female
    Mother's Birth Surname DAGG
    ____

    Name SUSAN CHARTERS JOHNSTON
    Date of Birth 03 February 1904
    Group Registration ID 4698429
    SR District/Reg Area Birr
    Sex N/R
    Mother's Birth Surname DAGG
    ____

    Name ANNIE JOHNSTON
    Date of Birth 30 August 1905
    Group Registration ID 443782
    SR District/Reg Area Birr
    Sex Female
    Mother's Birth Surname DAGG
    ____

    Name WILLIAM JOHNSTON
    Date of Birth 01 January 1907
    Group Registration ID 667407
    SR District/Reg Area Birr
    Sex Male
    Mother's Birth Surname LEWIS
    ____

    Name UNKNOWN JOHNSTON
    Date of Birth 22 September 1908
    Group Registration ID 620343
    SR District/Reg Area Birr
    Sex Female
    Mother's Birth Surname LEWIS

    AND

    Name UNKNOWN JOHNSTON
    Date of Birth 22 September 1908
    Group Registration ID 620561
    SR District/Reg Area Birr
    Sex Female
    Mother's Birth Surname LEWIS
    ____

    Name THOMAS SINCLAIR JOHNSTON
    Date of Birth 21 September 1909
    Group Registration ID 862367
    SR District/Reg Area Birr
    Sex Male
    Mother's Birth Surname LEWIS
    ____

    Name VIOLET JOHNSTON
    Date of Birth 17 September 1910
    Group Registration ID 774954
    SR District/Reg Area Birr
    Sex Female
    Mother's Birth Surname DAGG
    ____

    Name GEORGE EDWARD JOHNSTON
    Date of Birth 21 May 1912
    Group Registration ID 1004213
    SR District/Reg Area Birr
    Sex Male
    Mother's Birth Surname DAGG
    ____

    Name BERTIE JOHNSTON
    Date of Birth 10 September 1914
    Group Registration ID 1205305
    SR District/Reg Area Birr
    Sex Male
    Mother's Birth Surname LEWES
    ____

    Below are the civil registration death indexes for the Johnston twins, showing that one of the twins died the day she was born, 22 September 1908, while the other twin died the following day. The deaths were recorded in the Birr Registration District:

    Name UNKNOWN JOHNSTON
    Date of Death 22 SEPTEMBER 1908
    Place of Death WOODBANK
    Group Registration ID 5009241
    SR District/Reg Area Birr
    Deceased Age at Death 0

    AND

    Name UNKNOWN JOHNSTON
    Date of Death 23 September 1908
    Place of Death WOODBANK
    Group Registration ID 5009240
    SR District/Reg Area Birr
    Deceased Age at Death 0
    ____

    Noeline, do you have any twins in your family?

    If you haven’t used the free irishgenealogy.ie website in the past, you can practice by accessing the full Birr Civil Registration birth records for 9 of the 10 Johnston children named above, as well as the death records for the Johnston twins.

    The Johnston family had two children that died before the 1911 census, and two children that were born after the 1911 census was recorded. Not present in the Johnston household in Killaphort, Kings County, in the 1911 census, is their daughter, Frances Annie Matilda, born on 27 September 1902. This is because in the 1911 census she was recorded in the household of her widowed grandmother, Frances J. Dagg. In the Dagg household, as you saw earlier, young Frances’s last name is spelled as “Johnstone,” rather than Johnston. Her place of birth is erroneously recorded as County Tipperary, when her birth record shows she was born in Kings County.

    What I can’t figure out is, which child of Joseph and Annie Johnston, is the Lucy Williams who was present at her mother’s 1960 death, and who married William Frederick Williams in the Tissaran Church of Ireland in 1938. She may be Violet Johnston who was born in 1910, but that is only a guess.

    This reply includes 10 attachments:

    Annie Dagg 1880 birth
    Dagg and Lewis 1878 marriage
    Lewis and Dagg 1855 marriage
    Thomas Dagg 1903 death'
    Frances Johnston 1902 birth
    Johnston and Dagg 1901 marriage
    Frances Jane Dagg 1912 death
    Joseph Johnston 1917 death
    Anna Lewis Johnston 1960 death
    Williams and Johnston 1938 marriage and Dagg and Johnston 1939 marriage
    ____

    Best Wishes Noeline,

    Dave Boylan

    Monday 27th July 2020, 07:09PM

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  • Dave Boylan wow what a champ you are!!

    I so appreciate all the information that you have been able to find for me, so grateful.

    It will take a while to take it all in and figure it all out.

     

    Thanks again

    Wednesday 29th July 2020, 02:11AM
  • You''re welcome Noeline, and many thanks for your reply.

    Best Wishes,

    Dave

    Wednesday 29th July 2020, 02:39PM