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Hi,

I wonder if anyone would give me some help please?

I have John Dalton b. 24 Dec 1877 in St Patricks Parish of Kilkenny. He enlisted in the RA in Naas on 11 Nov 1895 age 18yrs - Service No 18846. In his army records he lists his parents as William & Mary Dalton of Patrick Street, Kilkenny and younger brothers as Michael, Patrick, William & sisters Ellen & Mary Ann. John extended his service to 12 yrs on 18 June 1902 but was discharged 12 May 1903 as medically unfit for active service. He was in Portsmouth UK & married to Ellen Welch 15 March 1898 - she died 1902. He remarried to Mary Agnes McNamara about 1906 & had 4 boys - John, Gerald, Maurice Patrick & Noel Henry.

John stayed in the army in the Ordnance corps stationed at No 3 camp, Salisbury Plains as in the 1921 UK census & is on the 1939 register for 50 Park Rd., Wallingford, Berkshire with his 2nd wife Mary, occupation civil servant. 

I am having a lot of trouble trying to find information about William & Mary Dalton in Kilkenny. I can't find when they were married so have no idea what Mary's maiden name was. This makes it hard to find birth (maybe baptism) records for the children listed above.I'm thinking they were RC.

I found a 1911 census that had a Patrick Dalton b 1885 Kilkenny married to a Lizzie (? Elizabeth Walsh) i Callan & there's a sister Mary Ann Dalton b.1891 with him living in Patrick Street Upper, Kilkenny but I can't say for certain these are 2 of the children.

I would be most appreciative of any information, dates or areas where I can trace this Dalton family cos I;m really stuck.

Thanking you,

Marj (in Oz)

marjw

Tuesday 27th Feb 2024, 04:03AM

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  • Marjw,

    I looked on the paid site Roots Ireland (because it is easier to search entire families), and I found 10 children for William Dalton and Mary Fitzpatrick. Their marriage record found on irishgenealogy.ie is attached. It shows his occupation was a van man, as was his father's; and in the civil birth records for his children that you can also find, it shows his occupation as van man. When searching on the civil records site, "Kilkenny" is the correct registration district to input in the field.

    The children are: Michael 1873, Anne 1874, Elizabeth 1876, John 25 Oct 1877, Michael 1879, Patrick 1884, Stephen 1885, twins Christopher & Marion (Mary) 1887, and William 1889. 

    The residence for most births show they lived on Green St....a few show Patrick St. The RC parishes were St. Patrick's and St. Canice's. 

    Regards,

     

    Carolyn

    Tuesday 27th Feb 2024, 05:52AM
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    Hi Carolyn,

    Thank you so much for all the information on William & Mary Dalton. I'll check out the children. I didn't see an Ellen listed so will see if I can find her. On John's 1st marriage record - see attached - he says his father is a carpenter but I guess he might've changed by the time John was married. 

    Warmest regards,

    Marj

    marjw

    Tuesday 27th Feb 2024, 09:26PM
  • Marjw,

     I forgot Ellen! she was born 20 Mar 1882 to the same parents as the rest. Residence was Green's Street, and RC parish of St. Canice's....it must be close to St. Patrick's.

    Yes, it's possible William could have changed occupations since John was born. Have you found any other sibling marriage records to see what William's occupation was?

    Regards,

     

    Carolyn

    Tuesday 27th Feb 2024, 10:07PM
  • Hi Carolyn,

    I've found most of the children's birth records with the exception of Mary Ann, Michael (1879), Ann & John. Stephen isn't in John's Army list of siblings as he died 1888 age 2 yrs. If Marion/Mary & Christopher were twins, she wasn't on the birth record with Christopher which is unusual as you'd think both would be registered together. Elizabeth is named Eliza on her record

    I've found 3 marriage records - 1) Patrick Dalton 1903 - plus 1911 census: 2) Michael 1905: 3) Mary Ann 1912. If they are William's children, it appears Michael & Mary Ann both married a spouse named Drennan. I found a 1929 DC for William (father) age 76 yrs, widower, Kilkenny in which his daughter Mary Ann Drennan was present at death. I couldn't find a DC for Mary Dalton/Fitzpatrick. Hopefully all these are part of my Dalton family. I'll attach all records to see what you think.

    On the 1911 census for the above Patrick, it has his sister Mary Ann, single age 20 yrs with him but gives her birth as roughly 1891 (give or take a couple of years)?

    Also, I've attached the 1939 register for John Dalton which has his birth date on it - this register is accurate for birth dates. He is listed with his wife towards the bottom.

    Regards,

    Marj

    marjw

    Thursday 29th Feb 2024, 05:57AM
  • Marjw,

    I am currently out of the country and away from my computer, but if you want to give me your email address, I can send you a screenshot of the Roots Irelands records of the births. For a reason unknown to me, I sometimes find records there when I don’t find them in the civil records. Anyhow, regarding a birthdate vs a self reported census record many years later, I always stick with the parish record over a census one. I’ve seen this discrepancy in all eight of my great grandparents records once they emigrated to the US. I’d go with the October BD for John….a few months isn’t crucial. 
     

    Regards, 

     

    Carolyn

    Thursday 29th Feb 2024, 11:34PM
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    Hi Carolyn,

    My email address: messagemarj@hotmail.com

    I was researching yesterday & came across a military record for Michael Dalton. He joined the militia age 17yrs then the RIR Connaughton Rangers in 1898 and lists the same family as what John had on his enlistment record: parents William & Mary, older brother John, younger brothers Patrick & William, sisters Ellen & Mary Ann. It also lists his wife Ellen and 2 children so that was a bonus. His brother William joined up in 1916 & served in France.

    The first Ann b 1874 must've died as on the baptism record for Michael (b. 28 Nov 1879) he has a twin Ann born 28 Nov 1879 & baptized on the same day 30 Nov 1879 to William Dalton & Mary Fitzpatrick of Greens Street, Kilkenny.

    Having some birth years & Mary's MN really helped a lot.

    Carolyn, I'd like to thank you sooo much in advance for all the time you've given me to help me with my Dalton family. I couldn't have done it without you as didn't know who or where to start looking for. You are amazing.

    Regards,

    Marj

    marjw

    Friday 1st Mar 2024, 10:01PM

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