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I am looking for information relating to my 2nd great-grandparents who immigrated (with six children) to Australia on the 'John Fielden' ship from Liverpool, England to Moreton Bay, Queensland, Australia, arriving 19 June 1853.

From death certificates I am able to ascertain the following information::

Patrick Ryan, - born Tipperary.  Parents Timothy Ryan and Mary Carthy, Farmer

Jane Ryan - born Tipperary.   Parents Robert Smith and Ellen Anderson, Stone mason.

Their son's death certificate (Robert) states he was born in Kilshane, Tipperary.

Any information regarding birthplace, where residing prior to immigrating, and other relatives would be most appreciated.

Many thanks.

Pat Saunders (Ms)

4th generation Aussie Irish

Thursday 5th May 2022, 09:21AM

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  • Hi Pat,   They were from Tipperary Town, County Tipperary.
    Where you see (Tipp) it means Tipperary town. It says Janet not Jane but see below.

    RYAN Janet 1853 42 (Tipp) Robert/Ellen SMITH both dead. Wife of Patrick , with 6 children . Cousin in Sydney ship = John Fielden

    RYAN Patrick 1853 43 (Tipp) Timothy/Mary both dead None . R.C. ship = John Fielden

    do you know who this is?

    RYAN Jane 1853 20 (Tipp) James/Catherine living in Tipp None . R.C. ship = John Fielden

    Kilsane
    Kilshane Townland, Co. Tipperary (townlands.ie)

    Margot

    Margot

    Thursday 5th May 2022, 10:09AM
  • Hello Margot

    Thanks so much for your reply, and the info you provided.   Interestingly, we actually visited Tipp Town in 2012 when we had a home exchange for a month in Cobh.  I didn't have any information of my ancestors at the time, other than a distant link to Clomel, so was not able to research our family history.

    Does the information you provided mean::

    1. that Patrick and Jane (Janet) were both born in Tipp Town?  
    2.  they were living in Kilshane at the time their son, Robert, was born?  
    3. were their ages correct as listed on the immigration passenger list (e.g. Patrick 43, Jane 42, and the children also).  These ages do not tally with other documents, e.g. Jane's death certificate states she was 90 years at death in 1877.   This indicates she would have been born 1787, and be 66 at immigration in 1853.  It is difficult to validate, but her age at death may not be correct either.
    4. Cousin in Sydney  ..  does this mean that Jane had a cousin who had already immigrated to Australia, and was living in Sydney at the time.

    I do not know who the other ‘Jane Ryan’ is (who also travelled on the John Fielden)  

     

    regards

    Pat

     

     

    4th generation Aussie Irish

    Saturday 7th May 2022, 09:30AM
  • Hi Pat.
    Answers........
    that Patrick and Jane (Janet) were both born in Tipp Town?  
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    Yes looks like that is where they were from and possibly born.

     they were living in Kilshane at the time their son, Robert, was born?
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    Yes Kilshane is a townland name outside TipperaryTown.

    were their ages correct as listed on the immigration passenger list (e.g. Patrick 43, Jane 42, and the children also).  These ages do not tally with other documents, e.g. Jane's death certificate states she was 90 years at death in 1877.   This indicates she would have been born 1787, and be 66 at immigration in 1853.  It is difficult to validate, but her age at death may not be correct either.
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    I wouls say yes they were correct on the ship record but this is the problem everyone has sorting the correct ages. 

    Cousin in Sydney  ..  does this mean that Jane had a cousin who had already immigrated to Australia, and was living in Sydney at the time.
    ##
    Yes, but without their name we cannot trace them.
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    What I did see was this in the Tithe records 1823.....no year is showing so then it's approx 1823. Timothy Ryan in Lower Kilshane.   6th name down.
    004625687/004625687_00044.pdf (nationalarchives.ie)

    In 1853 when the Ryan family left for Australia both sets of parents had died. Civil death records where introduced in 1864.
    Are you a member of any sites like Ancestry, Find my Past?   you could try with Ryan and Kilsahne and see if you get any tree results.

    Margot

     

    Margot

    Saturday 7th May 2022, 01:55PM

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