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Henry and Catherine nee Whelan Graham (Prussia Street, East Arran Street, Cook Street) 1890s

Hello:  I'm trying to locate living relatives who would be descendants of my great-grandparents who emigrated from Dublin around 1898/99 to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.  Here's the info I have on them when they lived in Dublin:

 

Henry Joseph Graham, my great-grandfather, was born April 14, 1871 to Thomas Graham and Lucy nee Allen Graham, at 10 East Arran Street, Dublin.  His father  Thomas was originally from 41 from Cook Street and his mother Lucy (Louisa) was from E. Arran Street although she lived for a time at 14 Moore Street and is listed as a Dealer on her marriage certificate.

Henry Joseph Graham married Catherine Whelan (originally from Newcastle, Wicklow) on November 22, 1891 at the RC Church in Castletown Geogehagen, Westmeath.  I don't have any information as to why they were married there.

Henry and Catherine Graham lived at 90 Prussia Street, Dublin, when they emigrated to America with their three daughters: Anne, Kathleen (my grandmother,born January 20, 1895 at Prussia Street), and Louise.

I have been successful in locating Whelan cousins but so far have made no connections at all with Grahams or Allens from Dublin.

I welcome any help!

Thank you,

Don Drach

dondrach@gmail.com

 

 

 

 

Don

Wednesday 20th May 2020, 04:35PM

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  • Don:

    Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

    Not sure what info you have already. Henry had an older brother Thomas born in 1869. Possibly Henry Allen was a brother to Lucia and Louisa was either a sister ot sister in law.

    Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. AUDOEN

    Baptism of THOMAS GULIELMUS GRAHAM of 41 COOK ST on 26 February 1869

    NameTHOMAS GULIELMUS GRAHAMDate of Birth17 February 1869Address41 COOK STFatherTHOMAS GRAHAMMotherLUCIA ALLEN

    Sponsor 1HENRICUS ALLENSponsor 2LOUISA ALLEN

     

    This may be the death record for Thomas in 1895 (eighth record) note occupation  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05916/4679496.pdf

    Found Lucy in the 1901 census    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/Lower_Camden_Street_W__Side/1307032/

    Found a 1920 death record for Lucy. Her niece Louisa Allen was the informant  Eighth record.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1920/05124/4410185.pdf

    Let me know if you have any questions.

    Roger McDonnell

    Castlemore Roscommon

    Wednesday 20th May 2020, 11:13PM
  • Thanks very much, Roger.  I appreciate  this information, some of it new and some I already had.

    The death certificate for Thomas Graham is definnitely my ancestor....he shows up on his marriage cert as a trunk maker, and his death cert also lists that occupation.  I read somewhere that Cook Street was known for undertakers and I'm wondering if trunk making was related to that (coffins?).

     

    I knew Henry had a brother also named Thomas but didn't have the birth details you provided.  Thanks for that.  Did you find that info at St. Audeon's, or where?  I also had found Lucy Graham's census info and from the names there was able to find her grave site at Glasnevin.  She is buried there along with her brother a nieces/nephews....don't know where her husband Thomas Grahm is buried.  

    Any suggesetions about finding their descendants who stayed in Ireland, if any did?

    Thanks again, really appreciate the work you do.
    Don

     

     

    Don

    Thursday 21st May 2020, 06:15PM
  • One more question, Roger.  Any suggestions about how I can find Thomas Graham's burial place?   Thanks, Don

    Don

    Thursday 21st May 2020, 06:54PM
  • Don:

    Yes, Thomas was baptized at St. Audeon's. Found the record on the free site www.irishgenealogy.ie   Church TAB but he should also be included with the Civil Records.

    Finding any descendants will be difficult. Graham and Allen are fairly common surnames. Did the 1869 Thomas marry and have children? There was a Henry Allen who was a sponsor  at Thomas' baptism. Likely brother to the Thomas who died in 1895. Did this Henry marry and have children?  Unfortunately, we do not have access to church records beyond 1900.  Civil records are available on www.irishgenealogy.ie   Births 1864-1919 Marriages 1864-1944 Deaths 1878-1969  I believe your family were in the Dublin North registration district. The 1926 census will be helpful but despite pressure from the genealogy community, current law prevents release of the records until 2026.

    I have a contact in Dublin. I will ask him if he has a suggestion on where Thomas might be buried.

    Roger 

    Castlemore Roscommon

    Thursday 21st May 2020, 09:24PM
  • Don:

    I corresponded with Shane Wilson one of our volunteers who is an expert on Dublin. Here is his website FYI   https://www.swilson.info/

    Below is the information from Shane.

    Roger

    "Most city burials in the late 1800s would have taken place in Glasnevin, unless the family had burials rights for one of the older graveyards somewhere else.. which I think is unlikely given the timeframe. Dublin city library (Pearse St.) has a database of graveyards & Cemeteries in the city and county, including dates of operation and where details of any records.
     

    For Thomas I would starting by double checking Glasnevin records - purchase the extended record(s) for other family members for this full listings, and also contact them for assistance an email address is included on their website. For various reasons some burials are more difficult to locate on their online system, and the experts at Glasnevin Trust may be able to locate these.
     

    Two additional options - the IGP (Irish Genealogy Projects) system includes transcripts of many headstones - including Glasnevin, Dean's Grange and Mount Jerome - this is a work in progress and based on reading memorials - so not the same as a full burial list. The other option is to check if there might be a newspaper death notice - many people placed these (they had to be paid for) and these often include church and burial information.  I find IrishNewsArchives the best system to use for these searches, Freeman's Journal and the Evening Herald are on the system were both publishing in 1895. I find it best to browse by date rather than search - as the death notices are often at the edge of the pages and may not scan or convert to text accurately. There are also newspapers on FindMyPast, but I find the searching much less flexible...
     

    On the occupation / trade / address question - there definiely seems to be an overlap between Cabinet Makers and Coffin making/undertakers, I presume much of the carpentry methods would have been the same regarding joints etc. In Thom's 1868 the listing for Cook street includes a Funeral establishment, a carpenter/undertaker/coach & hearse proprietor, several undertakers & coach proprietors, along with the usual array of Grocers, dairies & tenements.  No. 41 is shown as Thos. Graham undertaker.
     

    I dont see any mention of Thomas Graham as principle occupant at 10 Arran Street East in Thom's 1872 - the building is listed as Thomas Allen, saw maker & repairer, and artists warehouse. The trades index shows him at Cook street... maybe a recent move ?"

    Castlemore Roscommon

    Friday 22nd May 2020, 01:11PM