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I am interested in information on Henry Bagot (about 1810-1867) and his wife Catherine (about 1810-1862).  In July 1836, Henry co-signed a loan, and was listed as living in Treanboy townland, Kilcroan, Co. Galway. They had several sons (the oldest Martin born 1831 and the youngest Thomas born 1844) before the family immigrated to Islington, London, about 1848-1849, where all worked in construction as bricklayers and plasterers. In the later English censuses, Ballymoe is listed as their birthplace.  Also later on in England, son Martin married a Julia Bagot, daughter of John Bagot, who also was born in Co. Galway.  Given the impoverishment of Henry and Catherine's family, I assume they are not related to John Lloyd Bagot or his son Thomas Neville Bagot, owners of Drumatemple and Kilcroan near Ballymoe at that time.

Thanks for any information!

Celeste

Celeste

Thursday 18th Aug 2022, 04:07PM

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  • To connect with Treanboy local volunteers, please join the KILCROAN Message Board.

     

    The only Baggot recorded in the 1833 Kilcroan Tithe Applotment Records is Thomas N. Bagot Esq. By the time of Griffith's Valuation, John L. Bagot Esquire also appears on record. It is curious that there are no other instances of the surname in this parish.  However, there are numerous Baggots in the adjoining parish of Boyounagh

    In November 1837 (RC Parish of GlinskPatrick Fleming & Mary Feeny of "Kilbegnet and Dunamon" invited Henry Baggot and Honoria Hart to godparent their daughter Honoria Fleming. Given that they were close friends or in-laws, they may prove to be a lead. (Galway Fleming spelling variations include Phlemon, Plemon, Flemmon, and Flemon). There are no other baptismal records for this couple in East Galway.

    At the time of Griffith's Valuation, Patrick Fleming (m. Mary Feeny) and his brother Robert Fleming (m. Catherine McGarry) turn up in the townland of Funshin (parish of Kilbegnet) Just west of Creggs village. This was a congested townland and the Flemings shared plot 16 with kin Thomas McGarry & Brigid Costello, and John Connicer (Crowe) & Maria Brennan.

    For this reason, it may also be worth your while to join the KILBEGNET Message Board.

     

    Hope this helps!

    Rua, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎

    Saturday 20th Aug 2022, 03:55AM
  • Thanks! I could not find any "Baggot" in the Tithe Applotment Books for Boyounagh...I note that Kilcroan is not listed as a Galway parish in http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/pagestab/Galway/.  I am curious why it is missing, or if I should look elsewhere?  Three (John Peter, Pat) Baggots are listed in Templetogher which is also close to the Ballymoe area. Those first names do not appear to be used, however, in "my" Bagot line.

    Glinsk is indeed close enough to be neighbors to Henry Bagot's last residence in Treanboy, with just Ussey in between. I will look for DNA matches with Fleming & Feeny surnames.

    Any more information is greatly appreciated!

    Celeste

    Saturday 20th Aug 2022, 05:59PM
  • Rua, Thanks for that baptismal record. My dad (descended from Henry Bagot) has several DNA matches on Ancestry to Flemings from this area of Co. Galway, so your hypothesis seems correct. So while Henry did live in Co. Galway, there was a James Baggot in nearby Cloonreliagh in Co. Roscommon, across the county border. My dad's family may originate from there. I will post a message with Co. Roscommon to see if I can obtain more information.

    Celeste

    Tuesday 23rd Aug 2022, 09:09PM
  • Ooh that's interesting about the Fleming DNA match Celeste. 

     

    I'll dig a bit into James Bsggot when I get a chance. 

    Rua, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎

    Wednesday 24th Aug 2022, 01:57PM
  • Here's James Baggot of Cloonreliagh (1791-1866). Can't see any connection to a Henry Baggot sadly. 

    Rua, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎

    Thursday 25th Aug 2022, 04:25AM
  • Thanks, Rua. If you could please dig into 2 other Bagots in the same area, I would appreciate it. The 2 other leads are: John Bagot, of Cloonadarragh East, Drumatemple and Bernard Baggot, of Lisnamult, near the town of Roscommon.  The latter is of interest because Henry's first grandson was named Henry Bernard Bagot.  However, both of these men seem to have had sizable acreage, and yet Henry & his family were living in near destitution when they moved to Islington, London during the Great Hunger about 1848-1849.

    I am frustrated that I can't find baptismal records for these surviving children: Martin (b. 1831), Michael (b. 1833), James (b. 1842), and Thomas (b. 1844). I have looked through a few church records but if you could point me to a comprehensive list of parishes in this area, I can systematically search through them.

    Thanks again, Celeste

    Celeste

    Thursday 25th Aug 2022, 03:35PM
  • Also, Rua, thanks for determining James Bagot's life span as 1791-1866. This very likely rules him out as Henry's father, but still possibly James is an older brother.  Perhaps there was some great family rift to explain Henry's lowly situation vis-a-vis the neighboring Bagots who seemed to manage large farms... or could Henry have been illegitimate?

    Celeste

    Thursday 25th Aug 2022, 03:48PM
  • Hi Celeste. Annie Baggot was my grandmother. She is the daughter of Peter Paul Baggot, who is the son of James, who is himself the son of James-to the best of my knowledge. I have done my DNA if you want to send me a GedMatch I can run it. I will be in Roscommon in February and I hope to again visit my grandmother's home and learn a little more. Trish McDermott

    Trish McDermott

    Sunday 1st Jan 2023, 01:21AM
  • Hi Trish, Thanks so much for reaching out. My dad's GEDMatch kit is T256822 Robert McMichael. Please check his niece as well: MX4556383 Eileen McMichael. And you can contact me directly at celeste.rohlfing@gmail.com. Happy New Year!

    Celeste

    Sunday 1st Jan 2023, 05:02PM
  • Hi Celeste. Yes, we do match. I will email you with more details. Trish

    Trish McDermott

    Monday 2nd Jan 2023, 06:14PM
  • Just to note that my dad (descended from the Henry Bagot/Baggott in the subject line) is a DNA match to several people descended from James Baggot of Cloonreliagh, Co. Roscommon.  So there is a family connection!!! Henry's children were born in Ballymoe, Co. Galway which is 10 km/6 miles from Cloonreliagh.

    Celeste

    Monday 27th Mar 2023, 07:31PM

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