Hugh and Hannah Strain Clan

Bill:

Unfortunately, the RC parish of Dunfanaghy does not have records until 1877 so no church marriage records are available in that church prior to 1864. In 1864, civil registration of RC marriages began although initally not all marriages were registered.

Here is the 1864 marriage record for Grace Strain to Manus McFadden. 

see fourth record    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_re…

Civil death records also started in 1864 but I did not find a death record for Hugh Strain. Possibly his death was not registered.

I have McFadden ancestors from the next parish to Clondahorky  (Raymunterdoney). Have you tested your DNA?

Roger McDonnell

 

BillReThanks Roger. Yes My DNA was tested by both FTDNA and 23 and me. My blood connection is with Grace Strain McFadden born in 1842. Grace is my great grandmother,s older sister. Since the connection is from my mother to my maternal grandmother and to my maternal great grandmother Mary Ann Strain Coyle, I share the same mtdna with Grace Strain McFadden, U5a1. Did you have your DNA done. I was given 2 different Maiden Names for their mother Hannah Strain McBride and McHugh from Glenieraragh, Rosguill, County Donegal where my Coyle cousins are from. My maternal great grandparents were James Joseph Coyle from Rosguill and Mary Ann Strain from Dunfanaghy and their naturalization and Marriage license from Philadelphia in 1887 shows they claimed to be 3rd cousins, however, a third Cousin on my Coyle (James Coyle's sister Sarah Coyle Guiry) side does not match my Strain-McFadden 3rd Cousins on 23 and me which leads me to believe James Coyle and Mary Ann Strain were not 3rd cousins by blood. Must be one of those family secrets. 
 

Appears Mary Louise Streep (Meryl Streep, the actress) is my third cousin once removed, Manus McFadden and Grace Strain McFadden are her maternal great great grandparents. She must share the same mtdna, U5a1, but she had it done from a differentl source than I mentioned above.  You can google her DNA. 

Regards Bill

 

Bill:

I've tested on FamilyTree, Ancestry and my data are also on Gedmatch and MyHeritage. I also have taken the mtDNA test on FamilyTree but my pure maternal line goes thru Co. Down not Co. Donegal. 
 

My FamilyTree DNA number is 299474.

As an aside, Ancestry DNA suggests that my McFadden Gr-gr grandfather may have had a Strain mother.

Roger

 

 

hope this clears things up better

 

BillHi Roger: I was a bit confusing.  Yes, my mtDNA Haplogroup is U5a1.  My grandmother is Rose Ann Coyle Hueber.  My maternal great grandparents are James Joseph Coyle and Mary Ann Strain Coyle.  My great great grand parents are Hugh Strain Jr and Catherine McFadden Strain which is who my mtDNA follows. My great great great grandparents are  Hugh Strain Sr and Hannah McBride Strain.  Both Hugh Strain Sr and Hugh Strain Jr had daughters named Grace Strain.  It was Hugh Strain SR's daughter Grace Strain who married Manus McFadden and is Meryl Streep' great great great grandparents. Hugh Strain Jr married Manus McFadden's younger Sister Catherine McFadden who are my great great grandparents.  Their daughter Grace Strain married Patrick Tarsnane  and their children have same mtDNA as me.  Meryl Streep's mtDNA is K12b2 which is the same as Grace Strain McFadden which follows her mother Hannah McBride Strain  also both Hugh Strain Sr and Hugh Strain Jr had a daughter Mary Ann Strain as well as many other children of both using same given names over and over again, must be an Irish Catholic thing or they believe consistency is for the absent minded, for me it caused confusion. The name Winifred and Winnie for short was used almost in every generation. Hugh Strain Jr and Catherine McFadden's family show up in the 1901 and 1911 Muntamellan Census, but could not find earlier censuses for their older children, have to rely on family records and official records in USA, mainly in Philadelphia, New York, and New Jersey for the older generations. As for Jimmy Laferty, believe he was born in June 1841 and died in 2016.  His grand mother was Ellen Strain McHugh, daughter of Hugh Strain Jr and Catherine McFadden, and his mother was Hannah McHugh Lafferty, no idea of his father's name, cannot find him.  The Hannah McHugh name was found by accident, and I am therefore assuming his grandmother Ellen Strain married a McHugh. He was a DNA match to Meryl Streep if you believe the story published on google.  Hope this clears things up better. 
 

Bill
 

 

 

 

 

Roger Do you live in Ireland or USA?

Roger Do you live in Ireland or USA?

Bill:

I grew up in Philadelphia but have lived in Maryland for the last 50 years. Both my maternal lines go back to Co. Donegal but the pure maternal line is in East Donegal so we don't have any mtDNA connection.

Muntermellan is about 7.5 miles northwest from where my McFaddens lived in Derryreel but as I indicated Ancestry hints indicate that I may have Strain connections way back.

What is your last name or user name on FTDNA so I can see if we have a distant match. Thanks!

Roger

 

 

 

I  too grew up in northeast Philly.  I was born in Frankford section and baptized a Saint Joachim Catholic Church on Church Street and lived on Salem Street till I was 5 years old. Then we moved to Bridesburg where several of my siblings still live. I was a Navy Engineer and moved to Slidell Louisiana with my Job in 1996 and been here ever since and at age 68 I am retired. 
 
my Coyle ancestors immigrated from Glenieragh, Glen, Rosguill, County Donegal to Philadelphia and Brooklyn abt 1870s and 1880s  The Strains and immigrated from Muntermellan, not far from Horn Head,  to New York between 1855 and 1870.

Manus McFadden and Grace Strain McFadden immigrated in 1864 to Philadelphia, but quickly migrated to an area called Jim Thorpe Pennsylvania. The next generation migrated to Bethlehem Pennsylvania, believe it is in the Lehigh County  from there some migrated back to Philadelphia two generations ago from mine. Tthe McFaddens Cousins lived in Frankford and Kensington hoods  

my great grandmother, Mary Ann Strain Coyle, daughter of Hugh Strain Jr and Catherine McFadden Strain, immigrated in 1887 from Muntermellan to Philadelphia in 1887 and her husband James Joseph Coyle immigrated the same year from Rosguill to Philadelphia shortly before.  They married in Philadelphia in 1887 and had 9 children.  Their naturalization papers signed in 1914 indicated they were third cousins. Caused a bit of confusion with some of my DNA family comparisons on 23 and me  Grace Strain McFadden was my great grandfather's sister and her husband Manus McFadden was my Great Grandmother Catherine McFadden's older brother  I kind of have Strong DNA comparison with the Strain, Coyle, and McFaddens for the above obvious reasons

 I went to All Saints Grade School, Northeast Catholic HS in my freshman and sophomore year, transferred to Frankford HS in my sophomore year and there till the beginning of my senior year when I joined the Navy on my 18th birthday in 1972, and finished high school at Aiea HS in Hawaii  after 4 years of service I came home to Philadelphia and went to Drexel University earning a BSEE, MSEE, and MS in Engineering Management using the GI Bill and the navy paid for my graduate school education. I served the navy for over 36 years of my life  

my cousins included, Hueber, Morrows, Walsh, McLauchlins, Killian, Hinkie, Coyle, Fahy, Murphy, Tarsnane, and others all tied to Coyle, Strain, and McFadden ancestors and living in Philadelphia and spread all over the country  

I highly recommend 23 and me DNA because of all the matches you can communicate with, it is becoming very popular today, but costly and best too easy to join is around holidays  it is much better than FTDNA that I did my 67 marker test with in 2007 and all the advanced testing between 2007 and 2011  

I have a very large tFTM under my name on ancestry.com I am still trying to catch up with the newer generations that is a never ending job without help From my cousins and even my own younger siblings 

Regards

Wilbert J Morell III

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BillRoger. Is your surname McFadden, if not, what is it

 

Bill:

Surname is McDonnell. I'm about four years older than you. I grew up in St. Ambrose parish on Roosevelt Blvd. not far from Hunting Park. Went to school there and then went to Cardinal Dougherty and La Salle College.

My great-grandmother Catherine McFadden left Donegal around 1868 and went to Philadelphia. I have found three of her siblings who also went to Philadelphia. She married another Donegal emigrant Robert Brennan in 1873 (he was from the Lifford area on the east side of Donegal). Catherine had eleven children but only five survived to adulthood.

I have tested with Ancestry and FTDNA and my data is also on Gedmatch and MyHeritage. I think on Ancestry I'm shown as R.M. I will look for your tree. 

Roger

Roger Since we last talked, I did my DNA with Ancestrydna and still have tree under Wilbert Morell III Family, over 6500 cousins on there now. Also my tree has been revised with corrections. Jimmy Lafferty is actually my 3rd cousin once removed and Meryl is my 4th cousin. I matched many of her first cousins on 23andmedna. I match the following McDonnell Clan as 5th cousins on ancestrydna: Shari, Rory, David, Shane, Madelyn, Catherine, Thomas, and Andrew, No Roger McDonnell.

Roger Since we last talked, I did my DNA with Ancestrydna and still have tree under Wilbert Morell III Family, over 6500 cousins on there now. Also my tree has been revised with corrections. Jimmy Lafferty is actually my 3rd cousin once removed and Meryl is my 4th cousin. I matched many of her first cousins on 23andmedna. I match the following McDonnell Clan as 5th cousins on ancestrydna: Shari, Rory, David, Shane, Madelyn, Catherine, Thomas, and Andrew, No Roger McDonnell.

Hi Bill! Thanks for the update. Merry Christmas! Roger

Hi Roger

Since we last talked, I checked my matches for you by name and no match found. However, I matched several other McDonnell's with first names of: Shari, Rory, David, Shane, Madeline, Catherine, Thomas, and Andrew and none in my tree.  They are all 4th-5th cousins to distant for me to determine especially with no replies to messages I sent them on ancestrydna.  The ones who posted trees never went back to a Strain or McFadden or Coyle.

The Catherine McFadden you mentioned is not my 2nd great grandmother Catherine McFadden.

I have many Catherine McFaddens in my tree. Like Catherine McFadden born in 1866 in Mauch Chunk, Carbon County, Pennsylvania, daughter of Manus Thomas McFadden and Grace Strain who immigrated from Muntermellan, Dunfanaghy, County Donnegal, Ireland. No information of a marriage.

Another, Catherine McFadden born in 1841 in Roshin, Dunfanaghy, County Donegal, Ireland, no marriage can be found. Who I cannot trace to a McDonnell.

Another Catherine McFadden born in 1813 in Roshin, Dunfanaghy, County Donegal, Ireland and died 13 Nov 1881, Derryreel, Donegal, Ireland,  no marriage can be found. Who I cannot trace to a McDonnell.

Not so easy with many records in Ireland lost etc..

My great grandparents, James Joseph Coyle from Rosguill and Mary Ann Strain were also 3rd cousins as shown on their marriage documents. James Coyle's grandfather John Joseph Coyle was married to Mary McFadden Coyle and Mary;s brother Thomas McFadden was the father of my 2nd great grandmother Catherine McFadden Strain and he was Mary Ann Strain's maternal grandfather. I also only had Thomas and Mary Mcfadden as siblings and missing the rest. Several cousins said there was a sister Catherine McFadden by word of mouth alone which to me is not supportive to put such a person in my tree.

Regards

Bill

Bill:

My McDonnell line comes from East Mayo so I'm not related as far as I know to the McDonnells in your note.

Besides my Catherine McFadden, there were three other siblings who came to Philadelphia: Patrick, John and Mary. I located a fifth sibling back in Ireland-Margaret who married a Michael McFadden and had two children but died relatively young.

Here is the 1901 census for Catherine's mother Anne with son in law Michael and two grandchildren. They lived in Derryreel West townland in Raymunterdoney parish.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Cross_Roads/Derryreel_West/1171540/

Roger

Roger. Some corrections.  Mary Louise Streep is my 4th cousin, not my 3rd cousin once removed. I matched her nephew Jonathan Streep as a 4th cousin once removed by her brother Dana Streep. I also matched her Wilkinson first cousins who are also my 4th cousins on both ancestrydna and 23and me DNA, they all live in Southern California.  They are descendants of Manus McFadden and Grace Strain McFadden who eventually migrated from Muntamellan to New York, then to Philadelphia PA where there 2nd child was born and then to Mauch Chunk, Carbon County Pennsylvania raising a very large family there where many of their grandchildren and great grandchildren and great great grandchildren reside in Bethlehem Pennsylvania and I matched many of them on 23andmeDNA as 3rd cousins.  
 

Manus McFadden is the older brother of my 2nd great grandmother Catherine McFadden Strain and his wife Grace Strain McFadden is a younger sister of my 2nd great grandfather Hugh Strain Jr. I often wondered why the Strains of their generation did not have middle names considering they were Irish Catholics, but their offspring all had middle names. Manus McFadden’s middle name was Thomas. 

Can I get in here an muddy the waters just a bit?  I am the great grand daughter of Hugh Strain (1827-1885)  He arrived in Philadelphia in 1845.  He married Anna Doherty and they lived in St. Anne's parish in Philadelphia. And as usual some of the names of the 9 children match your families. (James, Daniel, Anna, Julianna, Edward J., Sara Annamarie, Hugh, James T., Joseph P.)  Joseph is my grandfather.  Only Dan, Edward and Joseph married.  Hugh worked in the mint in Philly.

My DNA results are with Ancestry and also on gedmatch.  One son tested with FTDNA and another with 23 and me.

Would certainly like to know more about where in Donegal my Strains originated.

Ann Gallen Buckley (claddagh7@verizon.net)

Hi Ann!

My Gedmatch number is T690844  Can you share your number. Ancestry Thru Lines tell me that I have Strain ancestors. Thanks!

Roger

 

 

 

My gedmatch number is:  QK3505886

 

Ann

Ann:

Thanks! It was worth a try but we have no shared segments in common.

Roger