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I'm looking for the death record of Michael Magnier who according to the grave in Kidorerry Graveyard died November 10th 1877 at the age of 62. I cannot find any reocrd on the National Archives site.

The inscription on the gravestone is as follows

EERECTED BY JOHN MICHAEL

THOMAS WILLIAM MAGNIER

IN MEMORY OF THEIR FATHER MICHl

MAGNIER OF BALLYVESTEEN WHO

DEPARTED THIS LIFE NOV 23 1813

AGE 69 YEARS ALSO OF THEIR EVER

TO BE LAMENTED BROTHER JAMES

WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE OCTbr 25

1813 AGE 33 YEARS MAY THEY REST IN PEACE AMEN

THOMAS MAGNIER DIED SEPb 6TH 1821

AGE 38 YEARS MAY HE REST IN PEACE AMEN

MARY MAGNIER WHO DIED JULY 17TH 1855

AGED 34 YEARS

JAMES MAGNIER DIED MAY 17TH 1856

AGED 38 YEARS

MICHAEL MAGNIER NOEMr 10TH 1877

AGED 62 YEARS

MAY JESUS HAVE MERCY ON THEIR SOULS

AMEN

Unfortunately it's not clear what the relationships between Mary, James, and Michael are.

 

Any help is very much appreciated.

Thank you

Margaret

Monday 16th August 2021, 04:25AM

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  • Hello Margaret,

    A search of the civil registration death records at the free irishgenealogy.ie website does not show the death of a Michael Magnier/Magner of Ballyvisteen for the year 1877.

    If he died in Ballyvisteen, Civil Parish of Kildorrery, his death would have been recorded in the Mitchelstown Registration District.

    According to the IreAtlas Townland Data Base, Ballyvisteen was in the Civil Parish of Kildorrey and the PLU (Poor Law Union) of Mitchelstown, based on those towns that were recorded in the 1851 Ireland census. See the IreAtlas entry at: https://is.gd/Iomp7G

    I expanded the search at irishgenealogy.ie for Michael’s death under the name Magnier and Magner and found one death record for a Michael “Magner,” who died in Ballyvisteen on March 6, 1883 at the age of 55. At the time of death he was a bachelor. His occupation had been farmer. The cause of death was, “Unknown. No Med. attend,” that is, “No Medical attendant.”

    The person who reported Michael’s death to the registrar was his brother James, whose residence is Ballyvisteen. The registrar, C. Buckley, recorded the death in the Mitchelstown Registration District on March 13, 1883. Michael’s death is the last entry in the death register, Number 275. The death record is the last entry in the death register, Number 275 at: https://is.gd/LH9qay

    Indications are, the 1877 death of Michael Magnier was not reported to the registrar.

    By the 1901 Irish census there were two Magnier households and one Magner household recorded in the townland of Ballyvisteen. See Ballyvisteen house numbers 1, 4, and 6 in the 1901 census from the National Archives of Ireland website link: https://is.gd/E1gmFr

    With Kind Regards,

    Dave Boylan

    SOURCES:
    irishgenealogy.ie
    IreAtlas Townland Data Base
    1901 census, National Archives of Ireland

    davepat

    Monday 16th August 2021, 01:18PM
  • Hi Dave,

     

    Thanks for responding so quickly. I did wonder if perhaps Michael had died overseas and was being commemorated on the gravestone explaining why I couldn't find a record.

     

    Margaret

     

    Margaret

    Wednesday 18th August 2021, 01:51AM
  • That may be the case Margaret. Do you know where he may have gone overseas? We can then look for a death record online to see if his death was recorded in that place.

    Thank you vry much for writing back.

    Dave

    davepat

    Saturday 21st August 2021, 02:50AM
  • Hi Dave,

    Unfortunately I have no information to suggest that Michael left Ireland. My original interest came about because Kate Magnier (b 1839 and died in 1897) is my great great grandmother and in buidling the family tree I discovered the following.

    Her sister Mary Anne (1845-1923) married William Fouhy (who disappeared in 1879 proir to the birth of his son William)

    William emigrated to the USA and married Nora Magnier in 1905 in Massachusetts. James Magnier and Mary Ahern are listed as Nora's parents. I found their marriage record on Roots for 1859 listing Ballyvisteen, Kildorerry as the parish where the marriage took place. James died in 1892 (Record found) and at the age of 73 meaning that he was born about 1818

    I found Mary Magnier lving in Ballyvisteen in the 1901 census with her daighters Mary A Condon (visiting from the USA where she married John W Condon in the 1890's), but no record of Mary in the 1911 Census nor a record of her death either. Mary's daughter Katherine emigrated to Massachusetts sometime between 1901 and 1909 where she is iincluded along with her sisters, Nora, Katherine and Johanna on the 1910 US Fedaral Census. Mary lived next door with her husband John until his death in 1918 and then lived with William, Nora and her sisters.

    I was trying to find a link between James Magnier (also Magner) and Kate's parents Michael Magnier and Mary Thornhill, unfortunately the gravestone.for the Magniers in Kildorrery graveyard does not show the relationships betweeen the Magniers listed on it. Michael remarried after Mary's death to Eliza Carroll. If a death record showing Eliza's death as occurring  in 1886 with her stepson Thomas as being present  is the same Eliza Carroll, then Michael died prior to 1886 as she is listed as being a widow,

    Thanks for your help and if I do fiugure this out then I'll post the results here.

    Respectfully 

     

    Margaret

    Tuesday 24th August 2021, 06:38PM
  • Many thanks Margaret for your reply and for the update. They are much appreciated.

    Dave

    davepat

    Wednesday 25th August 2021, 05:08PM