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I am looking for my Irish roots. I am descended from Jane Drennan (b. 1826 in Ireland, d. 1906 in Michigan). Her parents were James Drennan and Sarah Oliver, also born in Ireland. Her known siblings were John, Mary, and Nancy. John was probably born in Ireland about 1834. Jane and her family emigrated from Ireland to Canada after 1834. Jane married Robert Hill in 1850, Kitley Township, Leeds County, Ontario, Canada. Jane and Robert moved to Lynn Township, St. Clair County, Michigan in the early 1860's. After Robert died, Jane remarried George Richardson. I would like to find the Irish county / parish Jane and her parents were from. It is a tough slog finding our Irish ancestry without knowing county / parish origins. I am hopeful websites such as this one will help us connect with our Irish roots. Thank you in advance for any help or suggestions.

Wednesday 2nd Jan 2013, 08:09PM

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  • This is indeed a tough one as both her first name and last name are very common in Ireland and even knowing the birth year does not give the guarantee that we find the correct Jane Drennan ,

     

    For example www.rootsireland.ie has three possible matches .

    If you did not already do so my advise would be to obtain all possible records in the USA as they might lead to further clues to where Jane came from, I am aware of the fact that most of the records just say Ireland and nothing else but a marriage record or death certificate might reveal some new clues

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    Count of search results for drennan, jane, 1826

      List of databases that are searchable No. of Records
    View Baptismal/Birth Records for Ireland 3

     

    At first glance it looks like none of the found Jane's had a father called James or a mother Sara

    Church baptisms

        Drennan Jane 1826 Co. Antrim
          Drennan Jane 1828 Co. Antrim
          Drynan Jane 1831 Co. Tipperary
      Drenan Jane 1818 Co. Laois

    Civil registration in Ireland did not take place till 1864 in Ireland , you could try the records mentioned above but take note that you will need to buy credits to view the records and there is a chance that this is not your Jane

    Mallow Cork

    Friday 4th Jan 2013, 01:02PM
  • James Drennan b. 1796

    They were Presbyterian.  The 30 acre (later 60 acre) farm is in townland Crawfordsland, parish Kilbride, County Antrim , Northern Ireland.  In 1838 or 1839 with 7 children, immigrated to Kitley township Leeds Co. Ontario.  In 1867, Jane's brother John moved one mile away from her in Lynn township, St. Clair Co. MI  The Curtis relatives immigrated a little farther north in MI.

    Sarah Oliver was the first wife of James, the second wife was Sarah McLellan (there may have been an earlier wife the spacing of the children's births allows that supposition.)  Before 1851, James and Sarah returned to Ireland after establishing the children in Canada.

    In MI the family is Baptist and attended church in Brown city, Sanilac Co. MI

    Monday 25th Mar 2013, 04:51PM
  • All seven of the Drennan children were born in county Antrim, Ulster (now Northern Ireland.)  The children of James Drennan are:

    Mary Drennan (1) Wellwood (2) Birmingham b. Oct. 1, 1818, d. Feb. 10, 1892, Manitoba.

    Andrew Drennan b. Mar. 1, 1821, d. Feb. 12, 1865, Ontario

    Elizabeth Drennan Curtis b. Jan. 12, 1824, d. 1899? or 1903?, Michigan.

    Jane Drennan (1) Hill (2) Richardson  b. Apr. 4, 1826, d. 1899? or 1906? or 1908?, Michigan.

    James Drennan b. Feb.15, 1829, d. July 16, 1866, Ontario.

    Nancy Drennan Ward b. Nov. 13, 1831, d. Nov. 14, 1910, Michigan.

    John Drennan b. Aug. 3, 1834, d. July 21, 1904, Michigan.

    Monday 25th Mar 2013, 05:13PM
  • I am a direct descendent of Andrew Drennan (James' son; Jane's brother)I have the following notes on James Drennan.  I cannot gaurantee the notes but they may be helpful. (I can't remember where I found them ;->)

    A MORE EXTENDED SUMMARY of the FAMILY HISTORY IN IRELAND, prepared by myself, Samuel Wm. AYLESWORTH, based on the report shared by Michael DRENNAN.

    I am a descendant of James DRENNAN through his daughter Mary Ann DRENNAN who married (a) William James WELLWOOD and then, after the death of Mr. WELLWOOD, (b) Mary Ann married a Robert BIRMINGHAM. I descend through Sarah Ann WELLWOOD, daughter of Mary Ann DRENNAN and William James WELLWOOD. My ancestral line runs: James and Sarah DRENNAN ... to Mary Ann DRENNAN through her marriage to William James WELLWOOD ... to Sarah Ann WELLWOOD (who married Simon Ferguson LLOYD) ... to Sarah Charlotte LLOYD (who married William Perry AYLESWORTH) ... to Robert Wesley AYLESWORTH (who married Agnes Alice NICKLE) ... to myself.

    (a) To establish the conclusions summarized above and below, extensive research was conducted for Michael DRENNAN for a fee by an experienced genealogist in Ireland, working under the auspices of the Ulster Ancestry. This involved the review of many primary sources and the preparation of three research reports. The findings were then incorporated by Michael DRENNAN into a lengthy report that included the findings fromUlster plus findings from his own direct research. For further information about Ulster Ancestry see http://www.ulsterancestry.com/

    (b) Michael DRENNAN reports that a grandson of James DRENNAN, George Washington DRENNAN, was told by his father John DRENNAN that he, the father, had been born in County Antrim, in northern Ireland. Further, this same John DRENNAN remembered arriving in Canada from Antrim when he was 4 or 5 years old [page 43 in the 163 page report].

    The research findings shared by Michael DRENNAN strongly suggest that prior to coming to Canada our James DRENNAN and his wife lived on a farm in Northern Ireland as tenants and that farm was located in northern-Ireland as follows: County: Antrim. Parish: Kilbride. Townland: Crawfords Land. County Antrim is located in the north-west corner of what became the Province of Ulster County Antrim is immediately north of County Down and immediately east of County Londonderry. Maps are included in the report which indicate precisely where the DRENNAN farm was located in County Antrim. See a copy of the maps in the Media Section for James DRENNAN. [Note to those who are reading this material on RootsWeb: I have added these maps within the Media Section of the posting to Ancestry.com.; unfortunately media can not be posted to RootsWeb.]

    (c) Broader research suggests that the DRENNAN family may have early Irish-roots. At some point family members may have moved from Ireland to Scotland. Later generations then moved back from Scotland to Ireland. Earlier speculation was that James DRENNAN himself may have been born in Scotland, and moved to Ireland and the DRENNAN farm as an older teenager or young man. These possibilities were not confirmed and it now seems more likely thata James DRENNAN was born in County Antrim, and that his parents lived on the DRENNAN. Family history prior to 1829 will not be pursured further in this summary. When we first find detailed information about the James DRENNAN were tracking, in 1829, he is living on the DRENNAN-farm in County Antrim, Parish Kilbride, Townland Crawfords Land.

    (d) A farm that is nearby was owned by a RobertMcCLELLAND. Indications are that our James DRENNAN married a woman named Sarah McLELLAND. Although the spelling for McCLELLAND and McLELLAN differ, it is thought likely that Sarah was a daughter or close relative of that nearby McCLELLAND family, further supporting our certainty that we have located the correct James DRENNAN in Irish records.

    (e) In the third report from Ulster Ancestry to Michael DRENNAN, it is shown that in about 1650 a man named Patrick DRENNAN was living on a farm located near to what later became known as the DRENNAN-Farm. However, we do not know whether this Patrick DRENNAN was an earlier ancestor of our James DRENNAN, but speculation is that he was [see further, below].

    (f) More clearly related findings from Ulster Ancestry in their third report indicate that in 1775 and again in 1783 a Malcolm DRENNAN was a tenant of the same farm in Kilbride where James DRENNAN would later live as a tenant. At this time it is not clear whether Malcolm DRENNAN was one or two generations older than our James DRENNAN. The report states "If [our] James was born about 1796, it is conceivable [but not proven] that James is Marlcolm's son but could also be his grandson." Further the report states "... Malcolm was established in Ballybrackan at least 14 years prior to the 1798 uprising [in Ireland] andthe Drennan family probably a lot longer than that." Also, the report states " ... it is possible [but not proven] that Malcolm is Patrick DRENNAN's grandson."

    (g) Further, at the time James DRENNAN was living as a tenant on this farm, another man named Andrew DRENNAN was also living there, estimated to have been born in about 1803. Current speculation is that Andrew may have been a brother or a cousin of James DRENNAN [but this has not been proven]. Certainly we know that James DRENNAN and Andrew DRENNAN were of similar age, and we know that our James DRENNAN named his own first son Andrew DRENNAN, suggesting that he was somehow 'close to' the older Andrew DRENNAN living in Ireland on the same farm. More information about this older Andrew is provided below.

    (h) Note that the DRENNANs are identified above as 'tenants' and not 'owners' of the what we have called 'the Drennan-farm'. We are referring to the farm as 'the Drennan-farm', but this is intended only to indicate that members of the DRENNAN-family lived there. The farm itself was owned by the Marquis of Donegall, who also had other very extensive land-holdings. These holdings were leased to tenant under a variety of leasing-terms over the generations. In 1824, the then Marquis of Donegall experienced certain financial difficulties and this led him to grant leases in perpetuity to tenants who were willing to commit to the payment of certain rents in perpetuity. The lease would remain in effect as long as they continued to pay him certain funds annually without default. The research report from Ulster Ancestry clearly determined that members of the Drennan-farm entered into such a perpetual lease. Consequently, members of the DRENNAN family continued to lease and farm the Drennan-farm until yet-another-Andrew-DRENNAN purchased the land outright sometime between 1903 and 1913. Sometime after 1930, this Andrew-DRENNAN sold the farm, and retired to the town of Ballyclare, where he still lived as of late 2012. In 2001 a DRENNAN-descendant sold the land, and its ownership transferred outside of the DRENNAN family. There is hope that some members of the extended DRENNAN-family in Canada and the USA may be able to contact Andrew DRENNAN, living in BAllyclare, to futher clarify the history of the farm and the family. The report from Ulster Ancestry concludes this matter by stating "I think the Drennan family farmed the same fields for 200 years [and] perhaps longer."

    (i) Let us now return to the early 1830's, to the James DRENNAN and the Andrew DRENNAN who then lived on the same farm (be they brothers or cousins).

    In the second report from Ulster Ancestry to Michael DRENNAN, firm evidence is provided that as of 1829, a James DRENNAN is the man who has the lease for the Drennan-farm and he is the man who pays the annual rent. We believe that this same James DRENNAN, his wife and their seven children emigrated to Canada in about 1836 or 1837, and they settled on an existing 200 acre farm located in Ontario, Canada (More about this farm in Canada and subsequent events in Canada later, below). Unfortunately, no records have survived as to who held the lease and paid the rent in Ireland while James DRENNAN was in Canada, but speculation is that the farm was managed and the rent was paid in Ireland by Andrew, the brother or cousin of James DRENNAN (not the son of James).

    We believe that all the children of James and Sarah DRENNAN remained in Canada, but in about 1851 James and his wife returned to the Drennan-farm in Ireland. Certainly, Land Valuation documents from Ireland show that as of 1864 a James DRENNAN is again managing the farm-land and he has subleased some of the land to Andrew DRENNAN. Then we have a record of the death of James DRENNAN in 1865, at the age of 81, in County Antrim, Ireland. (Source: Ancestry.com. Ireland,Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864 - 1958 [database on line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Operations,Inc., 2011. Description: This database contains an index extracted from an index of deaths registered in Ireland. See FHL Film #101582. Ancestry.com accessed on April 4, 2014 by Samuel William Aylesworth.]

    In the years that follow, the Land Valuation Documents list the manager of the Drennan-farm as: Andrew DRENNAN, then a later Malcolm DRENNAN [not the earlier elderly Malcolm who occupied the farm before James], then an even later Andrew DRENNAN who eventually purchased the land, some in 1903 and some in 1913. The land was sold by a DRENNAN descendant in 2001.

    (j) Census records, baptism and marriage records, and Land Valuation Records, from the early 1900s, indicate that a number of families named DRENNAN came to live in areas near to the Drennan-farm. Considerable effort will be required to clarify what relationship, if any, we in Canada and the USA have with these families.

    Now let us turn to a MORE EXTENDED SUMMARY of the DRENNAN FAMILY HISTORY IN CANADA, to clarify what happened to the children of James and Sarah DRENNAN when they settledin Canada AND to clarify what leads us to believe that these children directly descend from the James DRENNAN known to have lived in Country Antrium, Ireland.

    This summary was also prepared by myself, Samuel Wm. AYLESWORTH, based on the report shared by Michael DRENNAN and also on other findings by myself and other members of this extended family now living in Canada and the USA.

    (i) Michael Drennan writes as follows: "The entire family immigrated to Kitley township, Leeds County, Ontario, Canada probably about 1838 or 1839. An interest in Lot 16, Concession 6 is purchased. The property is a 100-acre lot (or half interest of that amount) with a dwelling, farm field and forested area. The region was not raw forested wilderness. Since 1802 settlers with land grants of 100-acre lots had lightly populated the area. In Canada, the Drennan daughters were soon married, the two youngest sons were apprenticed, and the oldest son [Andrew DRENNAN, who married Mary Jane MORRIS] was apparently given the half interest in the farm. The parents, James and Sarah returned to Ireland before the Canadian Census of 1851. "

    Elsewhere in the report, Michael DRENNAN notes that when the Drennan family immigrated to Canada, say In 1838, James was 42 years old and the sons Andrew 17, James 9, and John 4. The ages of the daughters Mary, then 20 years old, Elizabeth 14, Jane 12, and Nancy 7.

    An so the family became landowners. Michael continues "It appears that they purchased all (or perhaps only half) of Lot 13, Concession 6, Kitley township, Leeds County, Upper Canada (called Ontario after 1841.) The 100-acre property (as originally surveyed) had a dwelling (it is not listed as a log cabin, so it is probably a frame structure) and probably a mixture of cleared fields and forest. In 1851 the son Andrew Drennan (b. 1821) will own a half interest in Lot 13. Andrew’s farm has 2 milk cows, 2 horses, 20 sheep, and 4 pigs. He produced 500 pounds of butter, 100 pounds of cheese, and 200 barrels of pork. There were probably some cereal crops and hay fields. I suspect that in 1839, Andrew’s father James Drennan commenced raising pigs, probably in pens, but most of the pigs could have been free-range animals that would be collected in the Fall and slaughtered (some pigs in the wild would be lost to predators. There were wolves in Canada.) It is likely that after immigrating to Canada in 1838, the Drennan men supplemented the family income with day labor outside of the farm. ... The daughters may also have been emplyed either in domestic industry within thehousehold or outside the home."

    Friday 11th Jul 2014, 03:16AM
  • This is a duplicate of the following entry.  My mistake I saved it twice.

    Saturday 19th Jul 2014, 04:08PM
  • Andrew Drennan (b. Mar. 1, 1821, d. Feb. 12, 1865) and wife Mary Ann Morris (b. 1828/29, d, Jan. 6, 1914) they are believed to have been married in Bastard township, Leeds and Grenville county, Ontario, Canada in early 1848.  There appears to be no Official Ontario record of the ceremony.  They probably saw no need to pay the recording fee at Brockville (only the 1861 marriage of John and Prospyna drennan appears in the records.)  Andrew is Church of Scotland (Presbyterian) and Mry Ann is New Connecxion Methodist.  She will have eleven children with her first husband andrew, and two children with here second husband John Steele after their marriage in 1866.

    The Drennan children are:Sarah (b. 1848) I think the 1861 census date of 1846 is in error, John (b. 1849),Mary Jane (b. 1850), Samuel (b. 1852?), Eliz Ann (b. 1854?), Susan (b. 1855?), Rebeca (b. 1857), Amanda (b. 1859?), Emily Violet (b. 1860?), Maril (Maria Louisa b. 1863), and Andrew (b. 1865.) There will be two more children by her second marriage to John Steele, but I do not know their names.

    The family lore is that James and Sarah Drennan and their seven children arrived in Canada in 1838 or 1839.  There  does not appear to be any Official Canadian record of them prior to 1841.

    James Drennan (b. 1796, d. 1873) purchased in Kitley township, Leeds and Grenville county, Ontario, Canada property described as Concession VI (6), Lot 13, a nominal 200-acre site, by a Bill of Sale dated 20 Oct. 1841 and later recorded on 31 Dec, 1844.  The price was 4 pounds.  It was a very cheap price.

    The construction of Haskin's grist mill at Jasper, Wolford township in 1806 flooded Lot 13.  It is possible that only 17-acres remained as taxable arable land.  When the mill dam was removed circa 1842 the drainage created approximately 135-acres of arable land on Lot 13.  Irish Lake splits the Lot into a northern arable site of 35-acres and a southern arable site of 100-acres.  there is no convenient access to the southern parcel of land.  The cabin was located on the northern site along the concession line road.  The rude dirt road continues northward about one-mile to the small village of New Bliss, which also has an Orange Hall for the Ulster Scots. 

    James sells the southern one-half to his unmaried firstborn son for 35 pounds on 31 Jan. 1844  James will give the northern one-half before the father and mother return to Ireland in late 1850 or 1851.  Andrew sells the north one-half for 50 pounds on 24 Apr. 1852.  Andrew sells the south one-half for 65 pounds on 8 Apr. 1853.

    Note:  The numbering sequence of Lots in Kitly commences with the number 4 instead of number 1.  The delay betwen the origin and recording of the documents is due to thrift.  There was no need to pay an Official recording fee until it became necessary.  They do not appear to have hired a surveyor for the subdivision of the Lot, since the land descriptions are inexact.  The legal documents were also probably a do-it-yourself afair.  The frontier area commenced to be settled in 1795, with most people ariving after the close of the War of 1812.

    A Grant and Quit claim on 31 Jan. 1844 and later recorded on 28 Feb. 1853 conveyed the southern portion of the property from James Drennan to his unmarried son Andrew Drennan for the sum of 35 pounds.  Note: The family practiced primogeniture, the firstborn son Andrew received (and paid for the farm while both younger brothers were apprenticed.  the parents James and Sarah Drennan returned back to Ireland before the 1851 Canadian Census.  When Andrew sells the north one half he did not rhave a deed from his parents

    Note:  should you ever read "Kitley 1795-1975" by G.J. Lockwood on page 22 the author is mistaken about the deeds.

    Two Deeds on 8 Apr. 1853 and recorded on 11 Arp. 1853 conveyed the property from Andrew and his wife to Samuel Totten for the amount of 65 pounds.

    The 1851/52 Agricultural Assessment of the Drennan farm in Kitley township  indicates that there are 2 milk cows, 2 horses, 20 sheep, 4 pigs, and the farm produced 500 lbs.of butter, 100 lbs.of cheese, and 200 barrells of pork.

    Andrew Drennan and family left Kitley townshipbetween 1853 and 1860 to relocate to Dawn township, Lambton county, Ontario, Canada where Andrew is listed in the 1861 Canacian Census as being a farmer who owns 100-acres in Concession XII (12), Lot 9 (half of the total 200-acre Lot.)  Correction: I have checked the township map and Lot 12 Concession IX (9) is probably the property.

    On the web site WeRelate.org do a search for "James Drennan b. 1798."  The results could be the family of his father and grandfather.  I have not yet been able to verify the information.

    Friday 8th Aug 2014, 06:35PM
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    I am a direct descendant of James Drennan - Andrew Drennan - Rebecca Pearl Drennan (my great-grandmother).  Attached is a photo that was labelled Jane Drennan. I would love to find out more about my family roots.

    Saturday 12th Jan 2019, 04:23AM

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