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I have been searching for my great, great grandmother, Jane Gott, for many years now.  I do not know which county she was born in.  She married my great, great grandfather, William Hazard, and they lived in County Cavan.  I have been unable to locate birth or marriage records for them.  If they followed the Irish Naming Pattern her father’s name would have been Robert and her mother’s name Mary Ann.  There is a Robert Gott shown in Tithe Applotment Books in the parish of Killinagh, Townland of Ture.  She was shown to be 45 years of age in the 1851 Canadian census but 50 in the 1861 and 62 in the 1871 census.

 

Thursday 19th Mar 2020, 05:37PM

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  • Hello I had a quick look at the Cavan Facebook genealogy pages and think I see your query there, At the remove you are at it is really necessary to have a religion to see if any church records survive, it they were Church of Ireland (Protestant) the surviving records are listed here https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegisters/PARISHREGISTERS.pdf  About 40% to 50% were lost in our civil war in 1922. I think is is possible they may have been Presbyterian and then records are more difficult, Methodist I understand are not online etc

    I can find no record of Gott name but on the off chance I looked at the Down Survey (means the land was measured by laying down chains hence Down) nothing to do with County Down. I see there are 2 Hassart people listed as owning land nearby in 1670, just slightly north of Ture in County Fermanagh, this would indicate to me and I am no expert on the precise history that the people listed were important people in Cromwells army, senior officers who received land in the Plantation of Ulster see here http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/landowners.php th)ere are also two Hassart people in the Flax Growers List of 1796 in Fermanagh (this is Northern Ireland) https://www.failteromhat.com/flax/fermanagh.php I see two Hazard people in County Down on this list.

    It is not simple to find the link to your possible people and the Fermanagh people but my view would be they are the same family, however if you want to research these families you would need a professional genealogist and there is a list on the National Library website, I understand from a course I was on that if you can link to the 1700s early that is you can often get further back and as this appears to be a plantation settlement there may be more records. https://www.nli.ie/en/homepage.aspx 

    I looked in the Registry of Deeds Index Project here https://irishdeedsindex.net/index.php there is a Gott or two Gott families in Omagh, County Tyrone in 1739 and 1740 and I see a Robert Hassard with a lot of property in Dublin and he appears to live in Mount Hassard, County Fermanagh. They appear to be families of worth so I recommend you try cotacting the local libraries in these areas and also have a look at the PRONI website, Public Records Office of Northern Ireland, all these places are close to Cavan where you are looking except Dublin but the main residence appears to be Fremanagh, also you could check and see if there are wills of any of these people. But my main recommendation to check all this is to seek a professional who should scope out the work for you and give you a price in advance. Also you have to accept the spelling changes in the names but that is a common enough thing to change.

    Good Luck,

    Pat

    St Peters Louth, IrelandXO Volunteer

    Thursday 19th Mar 2020, 10:34PM
  • Hi Pat,

    Thank you for your response.  Yes, I see that I forgot to indicate that the Canadian census indicate they were Church of England.

    I have a lot of information of my great, great grandfather but nothing about my great, great grandmother's family.

     

    Lorraine

     

    Friday 20th Mar 2020, 12:18AM
  • Lorraine,

    You are almost definitely looking for Church of Ireland families given that they listed as Church of England in Canada.

    Next thing, name spelling - Hazard is more commonly seen as Hassard or Hassart in the records & predominates in Co Cavan

    Gott seems fairly safe as a spelling but I have seen it recorded as Goth in Longford town burial register so also need to use some trial & error

    Name appears in Co Cavan, Co Leitrim & Co Monaghan - check the location of the various families on the Tithe Applotments, then perhaps you might be able to identify possible churches where the marriage may have taken place.

     

    If you can narrow it down to a place & year or een a few possible places (parishes) the you will need to contact the RCB Library in Dublin & see what parish registers are available.

    Then you wil need to go to the RCB Library or get someone to do it & start trawling through the records - it won't be easy but if you can narrow down the parish locations it is possible you will find the marriage record.

    Best of Luck

     

    johncfarrell, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 3rd Apr 2020, 01:18AM

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