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I am researching my great grandparents Jane McManus and Tomothy Murray. They got married in St Marys Church, Keadue on the 13th June 1886

His father was Bernard Murray and Jane's father was John McManus both from Roscommon.

They later lived in Carrick on shannon where Timothy was listed as a draper in 1901.

Would love to find out more about their families or where they may be buried.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Will be visiting the area soon

Thanks
Sheena McCollam

SMcCollam

Tuesday 25th January 2022, 09:46PM

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  • Sheena:

    I found the 1911 census and Timothy was a commerical traveller.   http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002689118/    

    I searched the free site www.irishgenealogy.ie for death records for Timothy and Jane but did not locate a record in the Carrick on Shannon or Boyle registration districts.

    I also looked for civil marriage records for the children in the Carrick on Shannon registration district and di not find a record.

    Did the family stay in Ireland or move to a different area of Ireland?

    Roger McDonnell

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 26th January 2022, 12:04AM
  • Eileen

    Wednesday 26th January 2022, 12:52AM
  • http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Carrick_on_Shan...

    In 1911 the family is still living in Carrick on shannon and the daughter Mary Isabella is a National school teacher, Timothy is a commercial traveller and the other children are in education. There were 8 children born in the marraige with seven surviving.

    If I come across anything further , I will update.

    eileen

    Eileen

    Wednesday 26th January 2022, 01:33AM
  • Thank you so much Roger and Eileen. I have as a result of your info found Jane's Family father John mcmanus who married Maria McPartlin They lived in Carranault and maybe Bernard Murray in Elphin. Timothy Murray died 30.3.1919 and his wife Jane in 1929 as yet can't find where.

    SMcCollam

    Wednesday 26th January 2022, 08:46PM
  • I have come across something interesting which I feel strongly relates to one of the daughters Honoria Jane, or as she is called Nora J in this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_J_Murray, is it too coincidental that this poet/teacher comes from Carrick on Shannon, is born in the same year 1888 and her father is Timothy Murray, I think she is Honoria Jane. She married Alfred Whyte on 6 September 1919. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_ret... Note that she is teaching in Ardclough national school Kildare, https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/11828567

    I am having difficulty finding death certs for Jane and Timothy but I note from the marraige certificate of Nora J to Alfred Whyte on 11th August 1919 that her father Timothy Murray is listed as deceased which ties in with your information that he died in 1919 .

    To be continued

    Eileen

    Eileen

    Wednesday 26th January 2022, 11:42PM
  • https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_return... another daughter Anne Elizabeth born 1894 to Timothy and Jane, note that Nora J's wedding certificate was witnessed by Annie Murray.

    Eileen

    Wednesday 26th January 2022, 11:55PM
  • https://www.google.com/search?q=Timothy+murray+draper+carrick+on+shannon...

     
    Carrick's Rich Literary Heritage: Nora J. Murray, Poet Sat ...

    https://www.facebook.com › photos › special-eventcarri...

    It is without doubt Nora J (your relative) is the lady in question. there is even a photograph of the lady poet friend to WB yeats.

     

    Nora Murray was born in the 'Cox' house (adjacent Lena's Tea Room) on Main Street. Her father, Timothy Murray, had a draper's business in Carrick. Nora was a scholarship student at the Marist Convent School and a noted musician. After graduation she taught at the Ardclough NS in Co Kildare. She married Alfred Whyte on September 6, 1919.

    She was a teacher, a nationalist (it is believed she was a courier during the Easter Rising), and a poet, and she was at the heart of the Ardclough Sedition Case when her teaching of Irish history and Irish songs was the subject of a complaint by a Unionist landlord.

    Nora Murray was the first lady teacher in an Irish NS to make her name as a poet. Prior to the publication of “The Wind Upon the Heath” (July 1918) to favourable critical reaction, her poetry appeared in the Irish Independent and the Sunday Independent during the Rebellion period. She also had short stories published. Some poetry relating to her native Leitrim was published posthumously

     

    This is so exciting, you must be so proud  of your relative and her historical links. Some day you must visit Carrick on Shannon and see the plaque erected in her memory.

    Eileen

    "The first of three planned events before year-end takes place on Saturday, 27th Aug., 2.30p, Main St., Carrick, with the Unveiling of a Plaque to Nora J. Murray (1888-1955) followed by tea and readings of a selection of her poems in St. George's Heritage Centre (Church Lane). Martin Kenny, TD, has graciously agreed to 'do the honours'. All are welcomed to attend."

     

     

     

    Eileen

    Thursday 27th January 2022, 01:03AM
  • This is amazing Thank you Eileen I had no idea!
    I found a record for her father Timothy I think, to, o much of a coincidence on datesdied in Dublin on the date but it looks like he was then in British Army pay corps , cremated and buried in Jamestown Abbey in Carrick. If this is correct sounds like a direct contrast to Norah.
    I'm very exited to see plaque spoken to my cousin in Dublin who informed me Norahs sister Mary Isabela our grandmother taught in the national school at Arigna mines she married my grandfather Charles McMorrow

    SMcCollam

    Thursday 27th January 2022, 09:53PM
  • Have a wonderful photo of the family I could share but not sure how

    SMcCollam

    Thursday 27th January 2022, 10:04PM
  • I am so happy you are able to put this information together and share with your family, I did come across a photo of Nora J in some of the Carrick on shannon posts , you are a family of teachers and poets, it's great to know who you are and where you come from. I did look for cemetery records for Timothy and Jane but there are a number of cemeteries in that area so I did not have any luck, will have another look when I can but all good so far. Enjoy the journey of discovery and try and put it down on paper so the next generation will be able to look back in time. Sorry I just asumed you were in Ireland when I suggested you visit Carrick to see the plaque but maybe a family member could photograph it and send you a copy, it's a great tribute to such a talented lady especially in the times past. I just love genealogy and when I see a post seeking help , I just like to see if I can get some information to get the family on the road to discovery, I am still researching mine and I am years in to the project, it's so addictive.

    Eileen

    Eileen

    Friday 28th January 2022, 02:14AM