John Joseph Cox birth record

Carolyn:

The baptismal and marriage records for Kilbarry/Scramoge parish start in January 1865. Civil registration started in January 1864. I searched on the subscription site Roots Ireland and saw the records for his seven siblings but no record for John. I also did not see a marriage record. I believe that his parents were married pre-1864 and likely John was born pre-1864 which would explain why there is no baptismal record or a civil birth record. I also searched on the free site www.irishgenealogy.ie from 1864-1867 and did not find a civil birth record for John. Many immigrants changed their age when they came to their new country.

Do you need any additional info on the family. From what I can see, Patrick Cox died pre-1901 and Mary Cox died pre-1911. Thomas took over the farm.

Roger McDonnell

Roger,

Thanks for such a quick reply! It never dawned on me that he was born before 1864...that would have made his mother quite young when she gave birth to him. Maybe not young for those times though. I will put my search to rest! You are correct on the death dates of his parents. Those I do have. Yes, I have seen birth dates change...usually to make them younger....with other Irish relations who came to the US. Question....how much "stock" do you put in the Irish naming pattern that was popular until the later 19th century? I'd say it works in this case for the second son named Patrick after Mary's father, who I think is a Patrick Conboy....but that means I'll need to do a new search for John's parents because currently I have a Daniel Cox for Patrick's father where IF they followed the pattern, his father would be a John.

I appreciate your help on this matter...

Carolyn 

Correction.... I meant to say, I'll need to do a new search for "Patrick's", not John's parents.....

Carolyn:

I put "some" stock in the naming pattern. It was followed in some families. I looked at the 1855 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Termonbarry civil parish and there were many Cox records  https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/roscommon/termonbarry.htm   however, only two in Ballymagrine townland--Catherine Cox and Michael Cox. Possibly one or the other was a parent of Patrick Cox.

Roger

Roger,

Thanks again for your thorough research on my ancestor...I am quite impressed. When I posted two other enquiries about different relations to this site last evening, the replies I received were so generic, just telling me to look on other genealogical sites that I have already explored. I am grateful that you "dug deep" on my specific question. That is very helpful!

Carolyn

Hi Roger,

Sorry to bug you again, but what's your opinion of Daniel Cox (1807) and Catherine Fallon (1812) as Patrick's parents? I like them for it because he and his 3 siblings all have birth records with those parents....all born in Lissonuffy, Roscommon. Ballymagrine is place I have for Patrick's death.

Initially, I did not like Daniel for the father due to his Longford birthplace, but then another person who answered me on this site said that the Irish did move around some.

Thanks,

Carolyn

Carolyn:

Strokestown is the parish just to the west of Kilbarry/Scrmaoge so very possible those baptismal records are for Patrick and his siblings. FYI, Co. Longford is just to the east of Termonbarry civil parish across the River Shannon.

Roger

Hello Carolyn,  I found a Marriage Record for Patrick Cox and a Mary Conboy 19th February 1860 Parish District Bornacoola, County Leitrim, Ireland.  Religion Roman Catholic.
Hope this information is of use.

All the Best
 

Peter
 

Hello Carolyn, The children for Patrick Cox and Mary Conboy: Ellen Born 23rd July 1879. Strokestown,County Roscommon,Ireland. Mary Born 24th August 1873.Rooskey,Strokerstown,Roscommon.
Anne Born 2nd August 1875 Strokestown,Roscommon. Patrick Born 20th June 1865 Rooskey,Stokestown,Roscommon. Thomas Born 19th February 1871. Stokestown,Ballymargine.
Catherine Born 27th  September 1868 Rooskey, County Roscommon.    (I didn't find a John Joseph associated with this Family also i don't know the name of their 7th Child). No Daniel either.
Are you sure that Patrick and Mary are Johns Parents??

There was a John Joseph Cox Born 20 April 1865 Paish/District of Killbarry/Scramoge, Roscommon.  John Cox Mother Mary Careton. Sponcors Patrick Sanany and Brigid Kennedy.

 I gathered most of this information on the Roots Irelad Site and the Irish Genealogy Site. The places in Ireland are usualy named by Parish, Town, Districts and County.   9Irih Genealogy is a Free Site),        Stay Safe

All The Best 
 

Peter 
 

Hi Peter,

Yes, I too have all those birth records for the siblings. No, there is no Daniel in the family. Roger answered me previously and guessed that my great grandfather changed his birth date when he emigrated, and he is likely born prior to the records in 1863 or 64. I too believe that to be true. They are my relations because we have many living Cox relatives in Roscommon that my family members have visited over the years. And, a descendant of one of his sisters, a Joe Cox, is currently helping me with genealogy.

Thanks for taking a look at this though, I appreciate it!

Carolyn