John Kennedy and Margaret Sheedy of Cloughjordan

Hi Dave,  An Irish Australian Historian  Brian Kennedy has been doing research on The  Kennedy's of North Tipperary for the past thirty years, and has written six books on them.

They have a gathering in Rear Cross every July  I will try and look up more material on them and get back to you.

You have amazing marerial on Roderick who was transported.

Regards for now .

Christina Volunteer.

Hi Christina,

Thanks for getting back to me. I do have two of Brian's books, namely "The Irish Kennedys" and "The Lower Ormond Kennedys", I think I should also get "The Upper Ormond Kennedys", as the locality I am interested in spans both Ormonds. I will be passing through Nenagh briefly next month as part of a visit by my wife, our son and me to Ireland, and intend to call in to the Kennedy display at the Heritage Centre there to see if they have a copy.

Regards

Dave

Hi again Dave.    Headstone inscriptions for Cloughjordan on Historicgraves.ie  The site seems to be down  at the moment, I am trying bto find out why.

Headstone ins for most of the Graveyards in Lower Ormond on Tippersry Studies Digitisation Project,. 

I will try and find more  on The Kennedy research, They have DNA project going .

If you email me  mallow1@irelandxo.com  

Christina.

Hi Dave,
After reading your post, I had to wait for local volunteers to reply.   
Have you got all the Hawley information? Let me know and I will get some for you. There is a record for Thomas Hawley see below.

Also, you mentioned a place in Australia called Donnybrook, there is a place of the same name, it’s on the road of Cloughjordan to Nenagh.
This is the map, click on the LARGER MAP and you can zoom in and out.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=donnybrook+tipperary&form=EDGTCT&qs=PF&cvid=0e8e9770e7d349d89636e0ed54e2ffcc&refig=a658a5b01a2442c5d6e16e86e8e65a87&cc=GB&setlang=en-US

This is Thomas Hawley’s Death 1896
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05906/4676114.pdf

Going by the Hawley ship records Judith had died by 1851.   None or hardly any death records before 1864.

In the Tithe records, if you put Kennedy……Parish of Modreeny there are 2 pages.
The bottom name on the first page Is Martin Kennedy he was the Blacksmith, he is my GGG Grandfather, he lived in Coolnamunna, his Blacksmiths business was near to Modreeny Church where all my Kennedy’s are buried. Then the next name above Edwd, (Edward) was my GG Grandfather.
Edward moved to a place called Ballyrickard North, known as Congor. I was born in Nenagh Hospital and lived in the same house before moving to England before I was one. The house is still there, used by the council, also it I houses Bats. The house in Coolnamunna is still there, my Uncle and family lived there until 1959.  Edward was nick named the Rouser, after the Edward Kennedy who owned the Mill in Cloughjordan. They were from Bantis, my Kennedy’s originated in Kilmore. Not many records to find out if they were brothers or cousins.
If you ever search for Kennedy and Dawson in Australia and the USA they are Martin’s brothers. 2 Kennedy men married 2 Dawson girls.
Brian Kennedy, in Australia visited John (Dec.) and June Kennedy in Queensland, my Edward and their Patrick were brothers.
Small world.

Margot

Hi Margot,

I have been working with a descendant of Ann Hawley's brother John. Between us, we have quite a bit of information already about the family of Thomas Hawley and Judith Behan. I have visited the graves of many of their children here in NSW.

Thanks for the death certificate for Thomas Hawley (Junior) which I hadn't seen before; the informant would have been his daughter Honora, baptised at Cloughjordan on 2 August 1871. Thomas Hawley (Senior) was alive in 1855 when son John emigrated to NSW, but had died by 1864 when son Patrick emigrated to NSW.

I had noticed that there was a Doonybrook close to Ballycapple. Both Roderick and John Kennedy lived in Doonybrook (or nearby Kalkallo) in Victoria for a while in the 1860s. Some of John's children were born there, though John later moved to Rushworth after Ann died. Roderick died in Doonybrook in 1905. I wonder if the two brothers named the area; I will look into the history of the area some time...

I wasn't able to sort out all the Edward Kennedys in the region. In the Tithe Applotment books, there was one in Coolnamunna with 186 acres (I take it your GG grandfather), one in Bantis with 98 acres, and one in Bantis with 29 acres.

Dave

Hi Dave, thanks for the updates.
This is from a list I found some years ago, these are the Hawley people going to Australia. You will also see other names.
Your tree will be bigger!
 

HAWLEY  Edward         1864    25      Motherenny     Michael / Margaret     at Ballycapple.    Cous=Hen       ry FITZGERALD , Sydney .(Pd)   Ship =  Wanata

HAWLEY  John    A 27    1855    22      Ballychapel    Thomas/Judy    M dead , F at Ballychapel    Sis=Ellen KILFOYLE at Maitland Ship =  Golden Era

HAWLEY  Judith A 27    1851    27      Ballycavan     Thomas / Judith Father at Ballycavan     Bro = Michael Hawley , Maitland       Ship =  Garland

Ballycavan is really  Ballynavin, if they were in that area they wouud have worked for the Dann family, this is where my Mother was born, my Grandfather worked on the esate in the 1920's.

HAWLEY  Michael A 27    1850    25      Ballycappel    Thomas / Judith Father in ballycappel    None .  R.C. {husb of Ann , 22.}      Ship =  John Knox
HAWLEY  Ann            1850    22      Ballycappel    William / Mary  FOGARTY        Father in Newtown      {& 2ch=Thomas,3 & Michael,1.}  Ship =  John Knox

HAWLEY  Michael        1865    29      Ballycappel    xx Left Modreeny,Cloughjordan  xx      Pd for by John McSHANE .       Ship =  Star of Brunswick

HAWLEY  Patrick A 27    1859    20      Cloghjordan    Thomas / Julia - Mother dead ,        Father in Tipp.     Cousin =   William GLEESON,Morpeth.       Ship =  Abyssinian

HAWLEY  Patrick        1864    28      Grahnorish     Both dead"     Husb of Mary , 19.   Pd for  by his Bro = Michael at Morpeth.      Ship =  Ida

HAWLEY  Mary           1864    19      Grahnorish     (not given) / Ann  NEILL       M in Grahnorish     None. Wife of Patrick,28.      Ship =  Ida

If you have more questions please ask.
Margot

Hi Margot,

You have been thorough! I have the information on most of these Hawleys already, though there are some new names among them.

I had not known about the Edward who emigrated in 1864. His parents would have been Michael Hawley (~1798-1874) and Margaret McConnell (~1812-1874). Margaret was buried at Grawn cemetery. Michael shared 139 acres in Ballycapple with several others at the 1850 Griffith valuation. I suspect that Michael was a brother of "my" Thomas, and also of the Roderick Hawley who married Annie Kennedy and emigrated to Canada.

There is a baptismal record from Cashel dated 10 Feb 1798 (NLI microfilm 02501/02 p 41) of a Thomas being the son of Thomas Hawley and Ellen Barron (or perhaps Banon -- it is hard to read). I suspect these are the parents of "my" Thomas, Michael and Roderick. There was an oddity in the death certificate (NSW RN 5784/1905) for Thomas' son Michael (the one who emigrated in 1850 on the John Knox). The informant (Michael's son John) gave the name of Michael's parents as being Thomas Hawley and Ellen Banam; I can only think that John must have mixed up the names of his grandparents and his great-grandparents?

Another oddity is that when Daniel Guilfoyle and Ellen Hawley emigrated on the Garland in 1851, they left their eldest son, 4-yo John, behind in Bantis. John eventually emigrated in 1855 with his uncle John Hawley on the Golden Era in 1855. Since John Hawley would have been housed in the single men's quarters aboard ship, I don't know where 8-yo John Guilfoyle would have bunked.

Dave

Hi Thanks for the details...............
This is why John aged 8 but listed as 10................................bottom line, it's the spelling!
 

GILFOYLE       Daniel  A 29    1851    31      Bansha  Daniel / Grace both dead        None.{husb of Ellen,26+Thos,2;Mich    ael,1.}  Ship = Garland

GILFOYLE       Ellen   A 27    1851    26      Ballycaplin    Thomas / Julia  HAWLEY   & A 29    M dead , Father at Ballycaplin Bro = Michael Hawley nr Maitland      Ship =        Garland

GILFOYLE       Daniel         1864    21      Cloughjordan   Thomas / Ellen - F dead.   [Bro = John,23 on board.]      Uncle = Michael G.,Morpeth.,Pd.       Ship =        Ocean Empress
 

GILFOYLE       John           1864    23      Cloughjordan  Thomas / Ellen - F dead .       [Bro= Daniel,21 on board]      Uncle = Michael G., Morpeth,Pd Ship =  Ocean Empress

KILFOYLE       John    A 29    1855    10      Ballychapel    Daniel/Ellen    see GILFOYLE       Morpeth , NSW. Parents at Morpeth,nr Maitland.       Ship =  Golden Era

Margot

I believe my great-great grandparents were John Kennedy and Anne Hawley, although I had his name as Stephen which may have been an error. Their son Stephen was born in Kalkallo (near Donnybrook), Victoria, Australia.  He married Mary-Anne Quirk and they lived in Rushworth.  Their children were John (Jack) - my grandfather, Matthew, Sheila, Mary, Eileen and Stephen.  Jack and Beatrice (Davis) married, my father was Leo Stephen and my brother is Stephen Kennedy.  My husband and I are hoping to travel to Ireland and Scotland next year and visit the birthplaces of some of our relatives, many of whom lived in County Tipperary.  I'm keen to find out more about John and Anne Kennedy.

Anne-maree

Hi Ann-maree,

Names must travel through families! I have a sister called Ann Maree, and a son called Steven.

If you contact me directly at davelk1066@gmail.com, I will pass on all of the records that I have on John Kennedy and Ann Hawley and their immediate families; it comes to quite a bundle.

Dave

Thanks Dave, will do

Hello All

My great great grandfather was Roderick Hawley born around 1796 in Ballycapple area.  He emmigrated with his wife Ann Kennedy and 6 children to Ottawa area, Carleton County, Canada around 1834?  My great grandfather was John Hawley, born 1833 in Ireland,  the youngest of the 6 children who emmigrated (Maria, Michael, Hanorah, Edward and Ann).  Roderick and Ann had three more children in Canada (Catherine, Roderick and Thomas).   My Great grandfather John married Elizathbeth Moloughney from Puckane area in 1866 in Ontario and moved to Renfrew County, Ontario and than on to Minnesota.   Where I reside.  I beieve your Ann Hawley and my Rodrick Hawley were first cousins.  Roderick and Thomas would have been siblings and it possible that your John Kennedy and my great great grandmotherr Ann Kennedy most likely are related too.  I had my brother take the Y DNA test and my Hawley DNA belongs to Hally Group sho mostly reside in the southern part of Tipperary.  Would love to hear back .    Thanks

Annie Hawley Marczak

Hi Annie,

Good to hear from you.

I had read somewhere that Thomas Hawley had a brother Roderick who married Annie Kennedy and emigrated to Canada. However, I have not yet had time to research this branch, and had the names of only three of their nine children. So you have already extended my tree for me.

It is entirely possible that my John Kennedy and your Ann Kennedy were related somehow -- there were plenty of Kennedys in the Cloughjordan area. However, I am not aware of the documents to establish any link.

I am not sure that DNA would help either. We would be looking at around 5th cousins, and shared DNA is patchy that far back. Still worth a try. I had my DNA tested by Ancestry, so am listed on Ancestry, on MyHeritage, and on GEDmatch (though I find the latter had to understand and seldom go there). Is there any common ground there?

I don't understand what the "Hally Group" means by the way...

Dave 

Hi all,
you say....................
I don't understand what the "Hally Group" means by the way...
A Michael Hally seems to have changed his name to Hawley in Canada. I saw this on a ship list.
I am not in Ancestry now, I remembered seeing it.

GEDmatch.......... I was asked by a cousin to look at a list that she had from that site.
The names in my family were correct, then I saw the townlands.
It was transfered from another site, as the townland was entered with the local knickname, I knew I had done this!
She said it showed after she did her DNA.  I have never done a DNA test. (I know where I came from)
So please be careful. 
Margot
 

Just joined this thread.  My ancestor is the Julia Hawley who married Patrick Hickey-they are my g g.g. grandparents.  The farm Patrick & his father James (from Coonagh across the Shannon from Limerick City) establised at Bolwarra (near Largs/Morpeth) is still in the extended family.  Look forward to hearing more.  Denis from Newcastle, New South Wales.

Hi Denis, 

Your Hickey's are these they? when you open this link look at the 2 x Patrick's must be the same person and the James.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=hickey&firstname=&county=Limerick&parish=&townland=coonagh&search=Search

Hi Everyone,

My great, great grandfather was John Kennedy (buried in Colinabbin) and he married Anne Hawley (buried in Tallarook).  From the records I have, they had 12 children and my great grandfather was Thomas Kennedy and he married Honaro Hussey (both buried in Runnymede).  I am looking for any information on my great, great, great grandfather and grandmother from Ireland.

Thank you,

Helen Kennedy