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I am looking for information on John Scott who was born c. 1807.  He died July 27, 1882 and is buried in Maudlins Cemetery in Naas.  He married Anne Fisher in Naas on April 18, 1839 and they had 7 children that I know of.  Two that appear on his tombstone as having “died young”  -  Issac and Harriet Elizabeth.

John's occupation was nailor/manufacturer, and lived in what appears to be a large house on Friary Rd. The 1901 and 1911 census records indicate that his unmarried daughter Anne Jane Scott still lived in the family home. While John Scott lived in Naas and made his living there, I am trying to ascertain whether he was actually born there, or came from elsewhere. I have been unable to find any record of his birth or who his parents were, and would appreciate any direction someone might have to help.

AnneS

Monday 13th April 2020, 04:53PM

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  • Anne:

    Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

    The subscription site Roots Ireland has Naas Church of Ireland records back to the late 1600s. I saw eight Scott baptismal records with parents John and Anne: Thomas 1840 George John 1844 Anne Jane 1846 Samuel Henry 1848 Isaac 1851 Emily 1853 Eliza Harriet 1857 Harriet Elizabeth 1860. 

    Roots Ireland did not have a John Scott in 1807. There was an 1816 record in Naas. See below.

    Roger McDonnell

    Name:John ScottDate of Birth:
    Date of Baptism:02-Jul-1816Address:
    Parish/District:NAASGender:MaleCountyCo. Kildare
    Denomination:Church Of Ireland
    Father:John ScottMother:Hannah UnknownOccupation:48th Regt.

     

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 13th April 2020, 07:04PM
  • Thank you so much for the quick response, and the research you have done on my behalf.  I had seen the record for John Scott whose parents were John and Hannah on Roots Ireland, however was unable to verify that.  I also dismissed that birth record because my ancestor's gravestone suggests he was born circa 1807-1808.  Until I saw the gravestone, I initially estimated the birth date at about 1815-16, closer to the birth date of his wife Anne who was born in 1817.

    Also, there were two John Scotts in  Naas according to one of the directories - my ancestor (nailor), and another who was a veterinarian.  Probate records can also be found for both.  John Scott, the veterinarian, died in 1886 if I recall correctly, so the birth and death dates for both are reasonably close, and makes things a bit more confusing.  The Will of my John Scott was not probated until after the death of his wife in 1898.

    I am aware of the children Thomas, George John (my great grandfather) Anne Jane, Samuel Henry and Eliza Harriet, and only learned of Isaac and Harriet Elizabeth from the headstone.  Your message is the first I have heard of Emily!   Anne Jane never married, and still lived in the house on Friary Rd. as at the 1911 census.  This gives me others to look for, and I will try Roots Ireland again, although in the past I haven't found it particularly user friendly. 

    I really appreciate the additional information you  provided.

    Thanks from Victoria, BC, Canada

    AnneS

    Tuesday 14th April 2020, 03:46PM
  • Name:Emily ScottDate of Birth:13-Jul-1853
    Date of Baptism:27-Feb-1853Address:NaasParish/District:NAASGender:FemaleCountyCo. Kildare
    Denomination:Church Of Ireland
    Father:John ScottMother:Anne Jane UnknownOccupation:Nailor

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 15th April 2020, 03:23PM
  • Thank you for the birth and baptism dates for Emily.  I really appreciate it, however there appears to be an error in the dates - it is said she was born in July 1853 and baptised in February 1853.  Should these dates be reversed, or should the baptism date be February 1854 ?

    I have done a little more research on her, and located a marriage in Naas in 1879.  Her middle name was Fisher (mother's maiden name), and she married William Muir of Glasgow.  He was a "poor law clerk" in Glasgow, and they went back to Scotland following the marriage.   They can be found in the 1881 and 1891 censuses, and by 1891 they had four children.  William appears in the 1901 census, with the four children and 1 servant, while Emily Fisher Mair (sic) is living elsewhere "by her own means" .

    AnneS

    Thursday 16th April 2020, 06:19PM
  • Anne:

    I had not noticed the discrepancy. We do not have access to the Church of Ireland parish registers to confirm the date. Likely the baptismal date was 1854 as you indicated.

    Roger

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 17th April 2020, 12:52PM
  • Anne:

    I had not noticed the discrepancy. We do not have access to the Church of Ireland parish registers to confirm the date. Likely the baptismal date was 1854 as you indicated.

    Roger

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 17th April 2020, 12:52PM
  • Roger, you were kind enough a few months ago to send me a LOT of information about John Scott and family in Naas, including names and birth dates of several of his children including my great-grandfather. The mine of information was from Roots Ireland, but you indicated there was no birth/baptism for my John Scott, circa 1807-8.  As indicated earlier, I do not believe his  parents were John Scott and Hannah, the parents of the John Scott born in 1816, a veterinary surgeon I believe.  Also, that John Scott died approximately 4 years after my 2nd great grandfather.  

    As I feel I have exhausted all available online resources, I am looking into hiring a professional genealogist with knowledge of Co. Kildare, and Naas in particular.  I was wondering if you may know of someone in the area who would be able to access locally held resources.  I came across what appeared to be a good site, but one had to download a research form and submit it by mail.  A bit unwieldy in this age of online services and email.

    I have quite a bit information about the family, address, occupation, marriage details (on which, unfortunately the parents' names were not recorded).  My brick wall is whether or not John Scott and/or Anne Fisher were born in Nass, or even in Ireland for that matter.  

    Thanks, and I would appreciate any suggestions you may have on how to pursue this.

    Anne

    Victoria, BC, Canada

     

     

     

     

     

    AnneS

    Tuesday 25th August 2020, 03:35AM
  • Anne:

    You may want to look into the Kildare Genealogy Center which is part of the Roots Ireland network.

    Roger

     

    Genealogy Centre Contact Details
    Kildare Genealogy
    Riverbank, Main St., Newbridge, Co. Kildare
    Tel: +353 (0)45 448350
    Email: cilldaragenealogy@gmail.com

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 26th August 2020, 03:49PM
  • I will look into that.  Thanks for the suggestion.

    AnneS

    Wednesday 26th August 2020, 04:49PM