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Please can anyone help me .I am looking for my GGGrandparents.They had all children in a place called Clonfean and the children were all baptised in Dunmore rc church from 1835-1843, I know this as i have the baptisms for all of them.The thing is for 5 years now i have been searching for Michael Kelly  and his wife Catherine O'Neill my GGGrandparents.I can't find a marriage for them anywhere or if they were born in the galway simply because i have not got a year of birth for them or a year of marriage. They may have came from some where else in ireland and moved to Dunmore and had all children.I guess they were married in the 1830s.I do know that one of the children Patrick b 1837 was married in Taum to Catherine Conneely as i have marriage certificate.I just can't find any trace of Michael and Catherine any where.Please Please can someone help me find them. Thank you.

waterlilly

Sunday 27th May 2012, 06:39PM

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  • My gr grandmother was Margaret Kelly and buried in the state of WI in 1868 .  she was the wife of Timothy Hurly my gr grandfather and was from the Ogulla Parish Co Roscommon .He is not buried there.     I would like to locate the baptism records of their children and when they immigrated to the USA  .    Delores Fargen

    dfargen

    Thursday 7th June 2012, 01:41AM
  • Hi Delores,

    Could you please post this as a separate message. You can post it in the Ogulla parish page here: http://www.irelandxo.com/group/ogulla-roscommon

    I and others in the community can then help answer your query.

    Please make sure you link anyone else in your family who is interested in their Irish heritage to our site - and indeed anyone else you know of Irish heritage.

    Kind regards,

    Sinead Cooney

    Genealogist (Ireland XO)

    Thursday 7th June 2012, 03:22PM
  • Hi there,

    There are Roman Catholic church records available for the diocese of Dunmore (Tuam). These date from 1833 for both baptismal and marriage records. You can find these at the National Library of Ireland, Pos. 4211, or the Church of Latter Day Saints, 1279210 item 4-8. If you have any difficulty, you could try writing to the parish priest for more assistance.

    There is a good chance that if they moved from another place, it was probably not too far from Dunmore.

    You could also try checking surrounding parishes, such as Tuam as you mentioned. There are Roman Catholic church records available for the diocese of Tuam. These date from 1790 for baptismal  records and 1799 (?) for marriage records. You can find these at the National Library of Ireland, Pos. 4211, and 4222, or the Church of Latter Day Saints, 1279208/09. If you have any difficulty, you could try writing to the parish priest for more assistance.

    Civil registration records are available from the General Register Office (GRO). These start from 1864 however. You can access the website here: http://www.groireland.ie/research.htm

    The area you mentioned, Clonfean is probable what is now Cloonfane, which is just outside |Dunmore town.

    You should also check some other sources too:

    You could also try checking the land records called the Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38) or the later Griffith's Valuation (1848-64). Griffith's is freely available here: www.askaboutireland.com or here: www.failteromhat.com Failte Romhat has lots of other useful links you could try looking at.Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38). Microfilm copies of the books for all of Ireland are available at the National Archives of Ireland (NAI) http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/tithe-applotment-books-and-the-primary-griffith-valuation/ or the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS).

    1839-46 List of subscribers to the Roman Catholic Chapel at Dunmore, with name, townland and donation. National Library of Ireland, Pos. 4211.

    There are estate records for Dunmore: The landlord George Shee: National Archives of Ireland (NAI), M.3105-3120. Yearly rentals of the estate in and around Dunmore, 1837-59. All tenants.

    Another: [No landlord given]: National Library of Ireland, 21 g 76 (14) and 21 g 76 (26). Maps of Cloonfane and Carogher townlands in Dunmore parish, with tenants' names. Mid-19th century.

    Please make sure you link anyone else in your family who is interested in their Irish heritage to our site - and indeed anyone else you know of Irish heritage.

    Kind regards,

    Sinead Cooney

    Genealogist (Ireland XO)

    Friday 8th June 2012, 10:40AM
  • Hi,Sinead, Thank you very much for the info you have given me,

    waterlilly

    Saturday 9th June 2012, 06:04PM
  • I'm afriad no info for you relating to Michael and Catherines Marriage or births...but the following may be some useful background info

     

    Kelly           Michael                Abbeyland North          Dunmore     Galway
    Kelly           Michael                Carrowreagh              Dunmore     Galway
    Kelly           Michael                Glen                     Dunmore     Galway
    Kelly           Michael                Graigueachullaire        Dunmore     Galway
    Kelly           Michael                Kippaunagh               Dunmore     Galway
    Kelly           Patrick                Carrowntryla             Dunmore     Galway
    Kelly           Patrick                Cloondergan              Dunmore     Galway
    Kelly           Patrick                Dunmore                  Dunmore     Galway
    Kelly           Patrick                Fortpark                 Dunmore     Galway
    Kelly           Patrick                Knockatee East           Dunmore     Galway
    Kelly           Patrick                Prospect                 Dunmore     Galway

    Griffiths Valuation of Ireland - Dunmore, County Galway
    http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/galway/dunmore.php

     

    A Sarah Kelly appears on the Griffith's Valuation in the townland of Graigueachullaire, Dunmore sharing with Michael Kelly among others...from ancestory.com

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    Ireland, Griffith’s Valuation, 1848-1864 about Sarah Kelly
    Occupier:     Sarah Kelly
    Lessor:     James Kirwan
    County:     Galway
    Barony:     Dunmore
    Parish:     Dunmore
    Townland:     Graigueachullaire

    -------------------------------------------
    and
    Flax Growers of Ireland, 1796 - County Galway
    Kelly             Michael           Dunmore              Galway
    Kelly             John              Dunmore              Galway
    Kelly             Mathias           Dunmore              Galway
    Kelly             Peter             Dunmore              Galway
    Kelly             Thomas            Dunmore              Galway
    http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/galway.php

    Information From O'Donovan's Field Name Books
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    Standard Name: Cloonfane
    Irish Form of Name: Cluain F?an

    Translation: lawn of the Fians or Fingallians
    Parish: Dunmore Parish

    View all place names in this civil parish.
    Other Forms of the Name with the authority source (if provided) in italics.
    Cloonfane
    Cluain F?an
    Cloonfain By. S. S. Map
    Clonfein Tithe Compn. Book
    Cloinfoyn Inq. Temp. Eliz.
    Clonfynn Inq. Temp. Jac. I

    Description:
    The property of Major Patk. Kerwin, Dublin. It contains 493 acres statute measure including about 215 acres of bog. There is a road passing through the central part of this townland from S.E. to N.W.
    Situation:
    In the N.E. extremity of the parish, bounded on the N. by the parish of Addragoole, on the E. by the parish of Addraagoole and the townland of Garrafrauns, on the S. by the parish of Addragoole and townlands of Carrareagh North and Garrafrauns and on the E. by the townland of Cunnagher and Curraghaun.

    http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/asp/fullresult.asp?id=22740

     

    Michelle

    Volunteer @ Kiltullagh Killimordaly IRO

    kiltullaghkillimordaly

    Tuesday 25th September 2012, 11:22PM
  • Hi Michelle, Thank you ever so much for all the info you have given me.You are the only one that has found this for me after 5 years of searching.I think it is the right family but the only way i can be sure is if i can find Michael and Catherine with all the children living in Clonfein in the 1840s and i can follow it up from there,I am so gratefull to you and if you can help me anymore i will be in your debt for ever.Kind regards.Rose (waterlilly)

    waterlilly

    Wednesday 26th September 2012, 08:41PM
  • Glad to be of some small help Rose. As you seem to have found the hard way...a difficult era to find docuentation for people...with little records documented at that time.

    I'll keep looking and see if I can come up with anything

    Michelle

    kiltullaghkillimordaly

    Wednesday 26th September 2012, 11:31PM
  • again more background info Rose,

    (http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/galway/dunmore.htm)

    there was a
    Connolly William Cloonfane Dunmore Galway

    others

    Coneely Martin Cappagh Dunmore Galway
    Conneely Patrick Carrownaseer South Dunmore Galway
    Conneely Patrick Lisduff Dunmore Galway
    Conneely Thomas Carrownaseer South Dunmore Galway
    Connell James Cloondergan Dunmore Galway
    Connell James Darrary South Dunmore Galway
    Connell John Addergoole Beg Dunmore Galway
    Connell Mary Addergoole Beg Dunmore Galway
    Connell Michael Cappagh Dunmore Galway
    Connell Owen Cloonkeen Dunmore Galway
    Connell Patrick Carrownaseer North Dunmore Galway
    Connell Patrick Cloonkeen Dunmore Galway
    Connell Patrick Drumbane Dunmore Galway
    Connell Ptk. Cloonkeen Dunmore Galway
    Connell William Addergoole Beg Dunmore Galway
    Connolly Daniel Gortaleam Dunmore Galway
    Connolly James Cluid Dunmore Galway
    Connolly James Derrymore Dunmore Galway
    Connolly John Darrary North Dunmore Galway
    Connolly John Flaskagh More Dunmore Galway
    Connolly John Kilnalappa Dunmore Galway
    Connolly John Knockbally Vishteal Dunmore Galway
    Connolly Martin Curraghaun Dunmore Galway
    Connolly Michael Knockbally Vishteal Dunmore Galway
    Connolly Michael Tobernaclug Dunmore Galway
    Connolly Thomas Cloonfane Dunmore Galway
    Connolly Thomas Timadooaun Dunmore Galway
    Connolly Thomas Tobernaclug Dunmore Galway
    Connolly William Cloonfane Dunmore Galway

     

    article on The Village of Cloonfane

    http://www.garrafrauns.com/page9.php you may/may not have come across with interesting stats around the time of the Famine, around the time Michael and Catherine were raising their family.
    "In 1841 just prior to the Great Famine the population of the village was 360 persons in 65 houses.  However in the list of tenants from the Kirwan estate as surveyed by M. Gibbons in 1842 only 25 families were mentioned. "

    A Michael Kelly is mentioned as is a William Connolly

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    Background on Dunmore around the time you are searching for (John & Pat Kelly mentioned, no Michael Kelly) http://www.aughty.org/pdf/dunmore_galway_neary.pdf

     

    kiltullaghkillimordaly

    Thursday 27th September 2012, 12:07PM
  • Hi Michelle,Thank you ever so much for all you are doing for me .I can't thank you enough and i am so pleased i found this site I have  spent  an utter fortune on Ancestry and Genes Reunited and had no info at all.The info you have gave me is fantastic. Thank you once again Rose

    waterlilly

    Thursday 27th September 2012, 08:35PM
  • Rose, this is just a theory, so please stick with me...

    Traditionally, marriages took place in the location where the female was from...Catherine O'Neills townland/parish. But, I don't as yet know her family name or location(?)

    One theory, again based on tradition, the first son born was named after his father's father and the second son born was named after his mother's father, the third son born was named after his father

    You don't mention the children (names) of Michael Kelly and Catherine O'Neill here, but searching through other posts I noted:
    Sarah Kelly born 1835
    Bridget Kelly born 1836
    Patrick Kelly born 1837
    John Kelly born 1838 died 1839
    John Kelly born 1840
    Michael Kelly born 1843
    Mary Kelly born 1845

    Based on that tradition:
    first son born was named after his father's father - first son=Patrick -> Michael Kelly's father=Patrick Kelly
    second son born was named after his mother's father - second son=John -> Catherine O'Neill's father=John O'Neill
    third son born was named after his father-this appears to be the case third son is named Michael

    also tradition in relation to daughters names:
    First daughter born was named after her mother's mother - first daughter=Sarah -> Catherine O'Neill's mother=Sarah O'Neill
    Second daughter born named after her father's mother - second daughter=Bridget -> Michael Kelly's mother=Bridget Kelly
    Third daughter born named after her mother - third daughter born Mary....this part does not hold up, from the view point that the third daughter is Mary and her mothers name was Catherine (although may have been Mary Catherine, or Catherine Mary???)

    Based on the above

    Michael Kelly's parents = Patrick and Bridget Kelly
    Catherine O'Neill's parents = John and Sarah O'Neill

    This may/may not be the case...may help finding the previous generation (or not)...but just to keep an open mind re same.

    Griffiths Valuation there is a Patrick Kelly in the Parish of Dunmore http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
    Place Name/Townland    Cloondergan | Place Name/Townland Fortpark | Place Name/Townland Prospect | Place Name/Townland    Knockatee, East | Place Name/Townland Carrowntryla

    there is a John O'Neill in the Parish of Dunmore
    Townland/Place Name    Gortnagoyne and Townland/Place Name    Roy
    1901 Census for Roy, Dunmore has a Kelly Family living there (starting with Peter aged 50)
    and Gortnagoyne East (Dunmore, Galway) has a O'Neill living there http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Dunmore/Gortnago... and http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Dunmore/Gortnago...

    Gortnagoyne is close to Dunmore and indeed close to the townland of Cloonfane (have a look a map here http://garrafrauns.com/page8.php and on Google maps)
    If this John O'Neill is Catherine (Kelly) O'Neills father then is most likely that Catherine was born and married in the general Dunmore area.
    As you have already found out records are next to impossible to locate around that time...maybe gravestones might be a route to go...maybe looking into the parents of Catherine and Michael Kelly???)
     

    kiltullaghkillimordaly

    Friday 28th September 2012, 11:54PM
  • Hi, I would like to thank each and everyone of you who have helped me with info on the Kelly Family from clonfean in the parish of Dunmore. Your help has been very important to me.Thank you all and kind regards.

    waterlilly

    Tuesday 23rd October 2012, 11:27AM