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I'm finding Coynes and Kynes appearing in the records I believe are associated with my family tree.  Some tell me that I should just consider these as spelling errors for the same family group.  Others say that Kynes were a unique family line and Coynes another.  This is making it very difficult for me to verify whether or not I have the right records.  How should I handle the different spellings. 

NYCPaull

Thursday 29th Oct 2020, 02:48AM

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  • The Mayo surnames Kyne and Coyne are two ways of anglicizing the Irish name Ó Cadhain ("descendant of the wild goose").  The name was also sometimes anglicized as Barnacle, by way of translating the term goose (i.e., a barnacle goose).  There was another, unrelated Mayo surname, Mac Giolla Chaoine ("son of the devotee of the gentle one") which was usually anglicized as Kilcoyne, but sometimes as Coyne.

    kevin45sfl

    Thursday 29th Oct 2020, 03:13PM
  • Records I'm finding could mean a marriage of first-cousins.  Was that common in Ireland?

     

    NYCPaull

    Thursday 29th Oct 2020, 11:40PM
  • If Coyne and Kyne are both from the same source then was it a family's choice of the spelling?  A child born of a Kyne father is recorded as Coyne when married (spelling error or choice?)

     

    NYCPaull

    Friday 30th Oct 2020, 03:00AM
  • The anglicized form of a name could vary from generation to generation, or even within the same generation of the family.  Much of Mayo was still Irish-speaking in the 19th century (some parts in the west still are today).  The parish priest generally chose what to write down in the parish register, and the family would have deferred to him (and may not have been able to read or write until later in the century).  The priest, even if Irish speaking, may have been unsure how to write down the sounds of an Irish surname, and how it was done could vary from priest to priest as time went on.  Several examples from my own family in Mayo:  Murtagh and Murtha were used interchangeably, as were McDonnell and McDonald at times.  In one branch the older children were baptized with the surname Curraby, but by the time the younger children were being baptized it had changed to Creaby.

    kevin45sfl

    Friday 30th Oct 2020, 05:43PM
  • I always thought it was American census takers being unfamiliar with Irish names.
    I know in a village map from 1868 in Marcellus NY lists my 2nd great grandfather Tady and his brother Patrick Coyne are both listed as "Kyne". Their shop manifest lists them as "Coin" and they appear in other censuses as "Kine!"

    wiccantank

    Saturday 10th Apr 2021, 09:57PM

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