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LADY YVONNE DORINE HOLMES  b. 31st JANUARY 1902, BUNCRANA, DONEGAL, NORTHERN ISLAND

I am researching Lady Yvonne Dorine Holmes who was the wife of Leiuntnenat General Sir William George Holmes (1892-1969) 

She was born in Buncrana Donegal on 31st January 1902.

I think she may have been married twice with her maiden name either being Bracken or de Bourbon. Some sites also note that she was a Princess with de bourbon being French aristocricy. I have not been able to verify which name came first.

She went onto marry Sir William Gerald Holmes in July 1930 in London. Marriage records for Jul,Aug,Sept 1930 show Bracken, Yvonne D. Holmes, Chelsea, Vol 1c Page 1175.

She died in Phoenix Arizona USA on 12th July 1975. Her husband died in Nogales Santa Cruz in 1969. they are buried together.

On a border crossing from Mexico to USA dated 12th May 1947 she stated her father was Sir Malcolm Eve, University Club, London, England. Sir Malcom Trustram Eve was the 1st Baron Slisoe who was born 8th April 1884 so given she was born in 1902 he cannot have been her bio father. Sir Malcolm Eve's brother was a physicit based in Canada and there are records of her crossing into the States from Canada so there maybe a tie up there but again I have been unable to verify any of this.

I am having trouble firstly finding a birth record and secondly any marriage record noting her details and parental family history.

Any assistance anyone can give would be greatly appreciated.

Prue Graham - New Zealand

Proodledee

Wednesday 1st Sep 2021, 04:03AM

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  • Hi
    Here's a link to the Donegal historical society
    http://www.donegalhistory.com/
    Good luck with your search!
    Liberty.

    Liberty1959

    Wednesday 1st Sep 2021, 11:01AM
  • Prue:

    I searched the free site www.irishgenealogy.ie for 1902 births in the Inishowen registration district which includes Buncrana. There were 614 births in that year. I looked at the January births and did not see a name that is close to your Yvonne.

    I also searched for any Bracken marriages in the Inishowen district and there were none.

    Did she have any siblings?

    Roger McDonnell

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 1st Sep 2021, 03:18PM
  • Prue,

    If you get a copy of the 1930 English marriage certificate, it should show whether she was married previously, and how that ended eg widow/divorced. It should also record her father’s name and occupation.

    I looked in the 1911 Irish census and there is only 1 person in Ireland named Bracken, who was born in Co. Donegal. (A 14 year old schoolboy named Robert).  So the name is very rare in Donegal. Almost unknown. No-one named Bourbon anywhere in Ireland in 1911.

    The absence of a birth matching the date and place she gave, her absence from the 1911 Irish census, and some of the inconsistencies you have found eg re her claimed father, plus her supposed Bourbon aristocratic roots make me think she may have been a bit creative about her origins.

    Where was she in 1939? If in England she should be on the 1939 Register (a sort of census taken at the start of the war).  That’s on Findmypast. It should record peoples dates and places of birth. You could see what that says.

     

     

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 1st Sep 2021, 10:06PM
  • Hello Prue,

    Elwyn has very sound advice about obtaining the marriage certificate. You can order the marriage cert online from the General Register Office (GRO) in Southport, England. I'll have more information about ordering the marriage certificate a little later in this reply

    You had mentioned Yvonne’s marriage to William D. Holmes as being found in the Chelsea Registration District for the September quarter of 1930, Vol 1c, Page 1175.

    If you look at the individual marriage indexes for William and Yvonne at FreeBMD, you’ll see that there are two last names recorded for Yvonne. One is Bracken and one is Rawlinson. One of these names would be her maiden name, likely Rawlinson.

    See the individual indexes below transcribed from the FreeBMD website:

    Marriage September Quarter 1930

    William G. Holmes
    Spouse: Yvonne D Bracken
    Registration District: Chelsea
    Volume: 1a
    Page: 1175

    AND

    William G. Holmes
    Spouse: Yvonne D Rawlinson
    Registration District: Chelsea
    Volume: 1a
    Page: 1175

    Source: FreeBMD
    ____

    Also see the marriage index from FamilySearch and Find My Past below:

    England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005

    Event Type: Marriage Registration
    Name: William G Holmes
    Event Date: 1930
    Event Place: Chelsea, London, England
    Registration District: Chelsea
    Volume: 1A
    Affiliate Line Number: 109

    Registration Year: 1930
    Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep

    Spouse Name (available after 1911): Bracken Or Rawlinson

    Possible Spouse: Yvonne D Bracken

    Citing this Collection
    "England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005." Database. FamilySearch. http://FamilySearch.org : 20 March 2020. From "England & Wales Births, 1837-2006." Database. findmypast. http://www.findmypast.com : 2012. Citing General Register Office, Southport, England.
    ____

    The Chelsea Registration District was in the Great London area, according to information at the ukbmd.org link at: https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/chelsea.html

    As Elwyn mentioned, English marriage records traditionally give the names and occupations of the fathers of the groom and bride. You’ll have to order the full marriage record from the GRO to see who Yvonne’s father was. You can order the marriage cert online after you register with the GRO at the HM Passport Office website at: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

    A birth, marriage, and death cert from the GRO costs £11.00 if you supply the Volume and Page Number from the index. If you order the marriage record from the GRO, make sure to specify that the marriage of William and Yvonne was recorded in the Chelsea Registration District, Volume 1a, Page 1175 for the September quarter of 1930. Without the volume and page number the cost of the marriage cert will be £14.00. You can pay for the marriage certificate with a credit card.

    Knowing that Yvonne’s maiden name was likely Rawlinson, I looked for her first marriage to a fellow named Bracken at the FreeBMD website and found it. I’ve transcribed the marriage indexes which you see below, and which show the marriage of Yvonne D. Rawlinson and George P.A. Bracken was recorded in the Fulham Registration District in the March quarter of 1923. Their marriage can be found in Volume 1a, Page 606 of the GRO marriage registers:

    Marriage March Quarter 1923

    George P A Bracken
    Spouse: Rawlinson
    Registration District: Fulham
    Volume: 1a
    Page: 606

    AND

    Yvonne D Rawlinson
    Spouse: Bracken
    Registration District: Fulham
    Volume: 1a
    Page: 606

    Source: Free BMD
    ____

    Fulham was one of the districts in the Greater London area according to information at the ukbmd.org link at: https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/fulham.html

    I didn’t know if George Bracken had died sometime between 1923 and 1930, or if he and Yvonne were divorced. I looked for George Bracken’s death index at the FreeBMD website, to see if he died between 1923 and the time Yvonne remarried in 1930. I didn’t find his death index, but I uncovered what may be his second marriage at FreeBMD, which shows the marriage of George P A Bracken and Grace E. Raynham/Rayanham was recorded in the Lambeth Registration District in the December quarter of 1934. See the indexes below:

    Marriage December Quarter 1934

    George P A Bracken
    Spouse: Rayanham
    Registration District: Lambeth
    Volume: 1d
    Page: 723

    AND

    Grace E Raynham
    Spouse: Bracken
    Registration District: Lambeth
    Volume: 1d
    Page: 723
    ____

    The Lambeth Registration District covered portions of London: https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/lambeth.html

    I next looked for Yvonne’s Donegal birth record at the free irishgenealogy.ie website. The irishgenealogy.ie website was mentioned by Roger in his reply. In this case I looked for the birth of a Yvonne Rawlinson and also a Dorine Rawlinson, but did not find it. I expanded the search to include the years 1900 to 1905. I didn’t find the births for any children named Yvonne Rawlinson or Dorine Rawlinson in the Inishowen Registration District or any other Registration District in Donegal, or in any of the other 31 counties in Ireland.

    I didn’t uncover the births for any Rawlinsons at all in Donegal between 1900 and 1905.

    I had noticed in Yvonne’s 1947 Petition for U.S. Naturalization, filed in Phoenix, Arizona, that she had written she was born on January 31, 1902 in “Buncranna, Northern Ireland.” You probably already have a copy of the petition, but in case you do not, I’ve attached the petition to this reply. I located the petition at Ancestry.com.

    The country of Northern Ireland didn’t exist in 1902 when Yvonne was born, as all 32 counties were then under British rule.

    Ironically, Banba’s Crown, Inishowen Peninsula, Donegal, is the most northerly portion of the 32 counties, though it is not in Northern Ireland, but in the Republic of Ireland. See: https://www.irelandhighlights.com/info/malin-head/

    Back at the irishgenealogy.ie website I looked for any Rawlinson marriages recorded in the Inishowen Registration District, Donegal, as well as other Donegal registration Districts, but did not find one.

    After the searches that Roger and I did for Yvonne’s birth record, it is a possibility that her birth was not reported to the Inishowen registrar by one of her parents or perhaps a relative who was present at the birth.

    To cover another eventuality, I also looked for Yvonne’s birth index at the FreeBMD site but didn’t locate a birth for her recorded in England or Wales.

    I then wanted to see if there were any residents named Rawlinson in County Donegal recorded in the 1911 census of Ireland. I also looked for Rawlinsons in the border counties of Londonderry, Tyrone, Fermanagh, and the northern portion of County Sligo.

    The census comes from the National Archives of Ireland link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

    I didn’t find any Rawlinsons in County Donegal or in the counties that border County Donegal.

    In his reply Elwyn had mentioned the 1939 Register. The full name for this record from a collection at ancestry.com is the “1939 England and Wales Register.”

    I found Yvonne D. Holmes in the 1939 England and Wales Register at ancestry.com, which not only transcribed the register, but has also provided an image of the register that I’ve attached to this reply. Her husband William G. Holmes is not in residence with her.

    The transcription and copy of the register show that Yvonne was living at the Queen’s Head Hotel in Morpeth, Northumberland, England. She is shown to be married with a date of birth of 31 January 1901, which is off by one year from her date of birth of 31 January 1902 recorded in the naturalization petition she filed in Arizona in 1947. Her occupation in the register is “Unpaid Domestic Duties.”

    The transcription is below:

    1939 England and Wales Register

    Name: Yvonne D Holmes
    Gender: Female
    Marital Status: Married
    Birth Date: 31 Jan 1901
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: Queen's Head Hotel
    Residence Place: Morpeth, Northumberland, England
    Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
    Line Number: 30
    Schedule Number: 239
    Sub Schedule Number: 17
    Enumeration District: GCMB
    Borough: Morpeth
    Registration district: 564/1

    Source: Ancestry.com
    ____

    The entry for Yvonne D. Holmes in the attachment for the 1939 England and Wales Register is number 17 under the Queen’s Head Hotel.

    The Queen’s Head still exists. It’s full location in Northumberland is, Town Foot, Rothbury, Morpeth.

    Also see the Queen’s Head website: https://ourlocal.pub/pubs/the-queens-head-rothbury/

    For a Google Map and Street View of the Queen’s Head, go to: https://is.gd/yHbfYD and https://is.gd/tPPE8n

    From a collection at ancestry.com called, “U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014,” I learned that Yvonne died in May of 1975. The index gives her date of birth as 31 Jan 1902. She had applied for a Social Security Number “Before 1951,” in New Mexico. Her last residence was Phoenix, Maricopa County, Arizona. Phoenix would be the place where Yvonne died. See the index below:

    U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014

    Name: Yvonne Holmes
    Social Security Number: 525-64-8318
    Birth Date: 31 Jan 1902
    Issue Year: Before 1951
    Issue State: New Mexico
    Last Residence: 85001, Phoenix, Maricopa, Arizona, USA
    Death Date: May 1975

    Source Citation
    Social Security Administration; Washington D.C., USA; Social Security Death Index, Master File

    Source Information
    Ancestry.com. U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2014
    ____

    According to the findagrave.com website, Yvonne and her husband, William George Holmes are buried in the Saint Andrews Columbarium, Nogales, Santa Cruz County, Arizona. See the Find A Grave submission for Yvonne at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194476726/yvonne-dorine-holmes

    The Find A Grave submission for LTG (Lieutenant General) William George Holmes shows he died on 16 January 1969 at the age of 76 in Tumacacori, Santa Cruz County, Arizona. His date of birth was 20 August 1892. See: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194476669/william-george-holmes

    I didn’t find that George and Yvonne had any children.

    Knowing that Yvonne Holmes died in Arizona in May 1975, her death record may tell you the names of her father and mother, that is, if the informant listed on the death certificate knew who her parents were.

    The Arizona Department of Health Services has partnered with the firm VitalChek Network to process birth and death certificates. See: https://is.gd/DWnmHl

    The certificate fee is $20. The processing charge per order is $12.95.

    The VitalChek website where you can order Arizona Death certificates can be found at: https://www.vitalchek.com/vital-records/arizona

    With Best Wishes,

    Dave Boylan

    ATTACHMENTS

    Yvonne Dorine Holmes Naturalization Petition
    1939 England and Wales Register

    SOURCES

    Reply from IrelandXO Volunteer Elwyn, dated Wednesday 1st September 2021
    FreeBMD
    FamilySearch
    General Register Office/HM Passport Office, UK
    ukbmd.org
    Ancestry.com
    irishgenealogy.ie
    irelandhighlights.com
    Reply from IrelandXO Volunteer Roger McDonnell, dated Wednesday 1st September 2021
    National Archives of Ireland 1901 and 1911 census
    1939 England and Wales Register
    Queen’s Head website: https://ourlocal.pub/pubs/the-queens-head-rothbury/
    Google Maps
    Google Street Views
    U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
    Find A Grave
    Arizona Department of Health Services: https://is.gd/DWnmHl
    VitalChek: https://www.vitalchek.com/vital-records/arizona

    davepat

    Thursday 2nd Sep 2021, 01:19PM
  • Prue,

    Dave has offered some great information. My inclination would be to order both Yvonne’s marriage certificates to see how the information on them compares.

    The other thing to consider is the 1921 census for England & Wales. That’s due to be released sometime in the next 12 months or so. If she married in London in 1923, she may well have been in England for the 1921 census.  If so, where was she, who was she living with and where does it say was she born?

    I looked for an Yvonne Rawlinson in the English & Scottish 1911 censuses, and there isn’t a single one anywhere in those countries. And as Dave has said there wasn’t one in Ireland either.  Slightly surprising, don’t you think?

    A minor point that struck me is Yvonne's reference to “Buncrana, Northern Ireland” on her naturalisation application. As Dave has explained, Buncrana is in Co. Donegal.  After partition of Ireland in 1922, Donegal was in the “Irish Free State” (which since 1949, has been the Republic of Ireland) and was never in what is now Northern Ireland.  Most people born in Donegal would know that and would not say they were born in Northern Ireland. Indeed for most people born in Ireland, given the history, it would be a very important and sensitive fact. Not one you would normally get wrong. So Yvonne’s knowledge of Ireland, her claimed birthplace, seems a bit tenuous to me.

    Until fairly recent times, when you married in Britain or Ireland you didn’t have to produce any proof of identity or age. Likewise until about 1948 you didn’t need a birth certificate or other documentation to get a British passport. So if you had a reason to create a false identity then, that wasn’t hard to do. 

    I could be magnificently wrong, but, as I suggested previously, I suspect that aspects of this lady’s background may not be entirely accurate.  We may just be dealing with spelling variations that prevent us from finding the correct birth record, or we could be looking at a completely invented identity.  I don’t know.  The discrepancies we have already identified about her claimed father’s age, the absence of a birth certificate, two different years of birth, and her vague claim to French aristocracy all ring alarm bells for me. It’s possible she might have made the whole lot up. But it would be good to know the answer, both to be fair to her, as well as to satisfy my own curiosity.

    Do let us know what you find out. She’s clearly a fascinating character and it would be great to know more about her.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Thursday 2nd Sep 2021, 07:48PM
  • Hi 

     

    Just a final contact maybe the Donegal County Archives based in Lifford County Donegal   nbrennan@donegalcoco.ie  as they may have additional archive collections that may be of interest.  They are especially strong for the 1920s period.

     

    regards

    Bernadette

    IrelandXO Volunteer Partner

    Tower Museum Derry

     

    Bernadette Walsh, IrelandXO Partner

    Friday 3rd Sep 2021, 03:44PM
  • Hello Everyone

    Gosh thank you so, so much for all the information and work you have put into this for me.

    I am in the process of ordering both marriage certificates, and Yvonnes death Certificate from Arizona. Hopefully I will be able to also obtain a copy of her Will would might also give me some extra information.

    The exciting news is, that I have found their obituatiries in the Arizona Republic newspaper, which only thows more questions into the mix.

    Yvonne's obituary states her name to be Princess Yvonne Doine de Bourbon, connected to French Royalty. Williams obituary states his wifes name to be Yvonne Dorrine de Bourbon, daughter of Prince George de Bourbon of France.

    After Sir Williams death and cremationshe states his ashes were to be sent to England where memorial services would be held at Westminster Abbey! On her death it's stated they had lived in India, Malta, Egypt, Greece and England and had entertained Winstone Churchill and Lawrence of Arabia.

    Now I'm not saying she had a great imagination (well I kind of am) but it is possible they did live in these places given his war career, and yes given she mentions Sir Malcolm Trustram Eve as a contact on her immigration card is also possible given her husband appears to have served under him during both wars. My question is, why would they leave England/Europe and chose to live in Arizona, right on the border of Mexico with virtually no infrastructure. This retired Lieutenat General ended up running the Beer Depot in Phoenix. It's such a bizzare story I have to continue searching.

    Anyway, thank you all once again for your help. I am new to this ancestory thing so your assistance is greatly appreciated.

    I have attached copies of both for you to take a look at.

    Best Wishes

    Prue Graham (New Zealand)

    Proodledee

    Sunday 5th Sep 2021, 01:01AM
  • Prue,

    Not much I can add to my earlier comments. The Bourbon “house” has a contact address in Italy. You could e-mail them with a copy of the obituaries and ask them if they can comment on their accuracy, and in particular whether, if there was a Prince George (or Charles) around in 1901/2, was he the father of a girl named Yvonne Dorinne born in Buncrana then. And what on earth was he doing there anyway? (Suspect I know their likely answer, frankly).

    https://realcasadiborbone.it/en/hrh-prince-charles-of-bourbon-two-sicilies/

    Sir William was in Whos Who. If you become a subscriber you can read his life story there (as written by him). See if it compares accurately with his obituary.

    https://www.ukwhoswho.com/view/10.1093/ww/9780199540891.001.0001/ww-9780199540884-e-53402

    Portrait in the National Portrait Gallery in London:

    https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp81014

    Potted military career here:

    https://www.howold.co/person/william-holmes-british-army-officer/biography

    His private papers seem to be held in the National Archives in London. A retired Lt General would be on a pretty good pension, and you would not expect him to turn up in Phoenix, Arizona, running a beer depot. But perhaps he did. He might have met Lawrence of Arabia, though he died in 1935 so it would have had to have been before that.

    I suspect Yvonne came from more modest origins than the one she claimed.  Do keep us informed of what you find.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 5th Sep 2021, 12:12PM
  • Hello Prue,

    Many thanks for writing back and for the obit attachments. I noticed that Yvonne's obit didn't mention Buncrana or the surname Rawlinson.

    It will be very interesting to see the first name of her father recorded the two marriage records and if Yvonne's death record will mention the names of her parents. If we had the names of her parents, including her mother's maiden name, we could do a more thorough search for her.

    After receiving your reply I did a cursory search for Yvonne's supposed father, Prince George de Bourbon of France, but found no such person in the Bourbon line, though it's possible I missed locating information about him. See the Bourbon line up to the present day at Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_family_tree

    Also, I'd like to make a correction from my previous response where I mentioned Yvonne's 1947 Petition for Naturalization. Her petition is actually dated 19 October 1953. This information comes from the reverse side of the petition, which I missed finding at Ancestry.com because the reverse side was not indexed. I only found it through additional research after sending the reply to you.

    The reverse side of the petition shows, under the heading, "Affidavit of Witnesses," that the witnesses as to her character were Herbert O. Marryweather, a rancher of Tumacacori, Arizona, and Leo H. Griffith, a businessman residing at 5921 Indian School Road, Phoenix, Arizona. The Affidavit of Witnesses is one attachment.

    Also on the reverse side toward the bottom of the petition, is the Oath of Allegiance that Yvonne took, where she signed the document on the aforementioned date of 19 October 1953. The Oath of Allegiance is on a second attachment.

    Yvonne and her husband's connection to Tumacacori, Arizona may have been through the rancher, Herbert O. Marryweather. For more information about Tumacacori, Arizona, see the Wikipedia article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumacacori,_Arizona

    I am looking forward to any new information you may find in Yvonne’s marriage records filed in England, and in her Arizona death record.

    Thank you again for writing Prue,

    Dave

    davepat

    Sunday 5th Sep 2021, 12:56PM
  • Hi Prue et al,

    I was hoping to find more about my great aunt Yvonne Dorine de Bourbon / Rawlinson / Bracken / Holmes in the new release of the 1921 census, but no luck. However, I did find your discussion on irelandxo and I am fascinated that you are also looking for her! A fascinating character - maybe, we can pin her down!

    Yvonne married my Grandmother’s brother (WGHolmes) in 1930. On their marriage certificate, Elizabeth Holmes was a witness, though that could have been his mother or sister. I never knew of WGH until I started looking up family, as my Grandmother never spoke to / of him in my lifetime – I believe due to disapproval of this marriage.

    It would appear that Yvonne may have married 3 times.

    On her marriage cert in 1923 (Fulham, London) to Bracken (second marriage for both of them – Major George Philip Alexander Bracken, Army dentist, m Dorithy Maud Barkly 1918 and m Grace Esther Raynham 1934), she is described as Yvonne Dorine Rawlinson (widow), daughter of Prince Georges Jaime de Bourbon. She is also stated being aged 27 (on 15 Feb 1923). This marriage ended in divorce in 1930, with WGH named as co-respondent!

    She married WGH on 24 July 1930 in Chelsea, London. The certificate states “Yvonne Dorine Bracken, previously Rawlinson, formerly de Bourbon”, and gives her father as Georges Jaime de Bourbon. Her age = 34.

    Both these suggest that she was born in 1896. In later documents she is getting younger!
    September 1939 UK Register - 31st Jan 1901 - “Unpaid Domestic Duties” = housewife! At the time, her husband was a Major General commanding the 42nd East Lancs division training for war (just declared).
    US state documents – 31st Jan1902 Buncrana, Ireland

    I can find no trace of Mr Rawlinson - Yvonne's "first husband". He could have married and died in WW1.

    I tend to agree with Elwyn’s comment that Yvonne could have made up her past, but I still think that it’s worth looking for George Jaime de Bourbon and a Mr Rawlinson possibly in Ireland - and Yvonne born ~1896 (could even be earlier!).

    re: Sir Malcolm Trustam Eve: He was born 1894 and was 2 years younger than WGH. Both served in the Royal Welch Fusiliers during WW1 – MTE making Captain, but WGH was acting LtCol from 1916 commanding 1RWF (1st Battalion), when he was just 24! I assume that they were friends.

    re USA – I have this from “They Lived in Tubac” by Elizabeth R. Brownell

    "After World War II, they came to New Mexico where they tried to run a Black Angus ranch. Exploited by promoters who sought to capitalise on their backgrounds, they failed at the ranch, then attempted unsuccessfully to run a liquor store in Phoenix. Here a beer case fell on the General’s foot which brought on gangrene and resulted in the amputation of his leg. After some time in Tumacacori and Amado, they spent several years in a small house in Tubac, where the Sir George resumed painting. Lady Holmes explained their descent into poverty: “British aristocrats have few working skills beyond sitting on our bottoms.”

    I don't know what the pension for a career army Lt General would be (or whether payable in US?), but possibly not a great deal.
    They had no children and it appears that they died in poverty - maybe lost money in the ranch.

    I have quite a lot on the background of WGH if interested and a tree published on Ancestry - but Yvonne is somethoing of a mystery!

    Regards - Nick Burgess

    Saturday 8th Jan 2022, 01:06PM
  • Nick,

    I couldn’t locate a salary for a Lt General in the UK, but a full General earns just over £123,000 ($167,000) a year. They usually retire on half pay, so in todays terms, he’d be expecting a pension of around $83,000 a year. Plus a lump sum, which I think is 18 months salary. And yes that can be paid overseas. It often was, as people frequently retired to countries with a lower cost of living and better climate than the UK. They went to places like Cyprus, India, Kenya and South Africa (knowing the countries because they had served there). 

    Was WGH married before? Perhaps he had lost part of his pension in a divorce settlement?

    There’s no sign of a Mr Rawlinson or Yvonne in Irish records, so I remain very sceptical about her claimed origins.

    Summing things up, there’s no record of Yvonne’s birth in Ireland, and the names Bracken & Bourbon are also very rare in Ireland. She claimed to be born in Buncrana, Northern Ireland but Buncrana isn’t in Northern Ireland, and anyone from there would know that. She can’t be traced in either the 1901 or 1911 censuses in Ireland or Britain, nor the 1921 English census (there was no census in Ireland in 1921 due to civil disorder). She has named her father once as Sir Macolm Eve - someone who was actually far too young - and twice as Prince George de Bourbon who doesn't appear to exist. She stated her first marriage was to someone named Rawlinson but we can find no record of that marriage or his death (though without a forename tracing a death would be difficult).

    The first confirmed documentary sighting of her is her marriage in 1923. So I think that she was born under another name (which is why no-one can find her birth or in the censuses), and that sometime prior to 1923, she re-invented herself and acquired a new name and apparently noble origins. She might not even have been born in Ireland.  She must have been a woman of great acting ability and quite well educated to carry all that off. Well done to her.

     

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 9th Jan 2022, 12:33PM
  • The Irish writer George Bernard Shaw’s highly successful play Pygmalion came out in 1913, around the time Yvonne would have been a young woman.  It ran in London for a long time. The key character is Eliza Doolittle who is from the working class east end of London, speaks with a cockney accent, and could not mix in posh society. However after elocution and etiquette lessons from Professor Henry Higgins she is transformed into a lady. (The screen version was My Fair Lady, starring Rex Harrison & Julie Andrews). 

    I wonder if Yvonne was inspired by Eliza Doolittle? Perhaps she had briefly been an actress herself and acquired the necessary skills?

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 10th Jan 2022, 10:00AM
  • Hello to Nick and Elwyn and anyone else taking an interest.

    Firstly to respond to Nicks message.

    We appear to be related! My Great Grandfather was Daniel Mearns Holmes, brother of Wiliam Read Holmes and Elizabeth Barber Holmes.

    Now that's out of the way......

    I agree, age wise on certain records indicates Yvonnes's birth year was 1896/97 which makes her about 5 years older than indicated on later documentation..

    Yes Rawlinson may have died in WW1 or thereafter but in her last interview in Arizona she stated she had been married twice and that WGH was the love of her life. So yes, maybe Rawlinson is her birth name.

    As suggested by Elwyn I emailed realcasadiborbone.it but they did not respond. I note the different spelling of di borbone not de bourbon.

    Sir Malcolm Trustrum Eve was no doubtedly a friend and military collegue of WGH and was used as a contact in the UK given she obviously didn't have contact with he own supposed father.

    Yes, your reference to 'They lived in Tuba' is correct.

    I tried ordering her death certificate from Arizona, however you have to prove you are family or a registered/qualified geneologist. I am neither so despite several emails I got nothing.

    As far as I know WGH was not married before, but I will check. He is noted as the co-respondent on the divorce records between her and George Philip Alexander Bracken.

    She obviously circulated in very high Military Circles. Where did she meet George Bracken. He was born in Ireland is this the connection?

    In the Tattler article I have on my ancestry page, she is noted as being the previous Mademoiselle De Bourbon, making a French connection, all be it slim.

    On 10th Oct 1937 border crossing when they sailed into New York she states her race as French, born in Buncrana Ireland and can speak German! He is shown as of Scottish race born in London England and can speak French.

    Her first (or 2nd) marriage to George Philip Alexander Bracken. He was a Captain in the Royal Military Army Corp (RMAC) and was aged 41, she aged 27 which at time of marriage in 1923 makes her birth year 1896. He was born Blacklion County Cavan, Ireland 14 Jan 1882. This marriage ended in divorce in 1929 after she obviuosly had an affair with WGH as per divorce records National Archives, Kew.

    She was known as Dee (as per Newspaper Article 29 Aug 1973) and was suppoedly was a Lady in Waiting for Queen Elizabeth (the Queen mother) for 2 years.

    They were supposedly invited to Winston Shurchills funeral by Elizabeth and Philip.

    Marriage Cert to WGH shows her name to be Yvonne DORIYE Bracken, not Yvonne Dorine Bracken.

    Her mother is never mentioned in any article, so I guess we can make some assumptions there. Perhaps her father was descended from Royalty or Nobility of some sort. After the French Revolution there was a mass migration of French nobility to Great Britain (1789-1815). Perhaps some decendents stayed and the family verbal history passed down that she was descended from Royalty. Perhaps we should be looking for a father by the name of George James Rawlinson, or maybe George James Rawlinson was her first husband she converted into a Prince?? I have tried searching Feench records but as I don't speak or read French it was a wasted exercise. Can anyone else help with this because I think we can all agree, she was not born in Buncrana unless she was illegitimate, birth not registered, or registered as Rawlinson somewhere else like England maybe. Who knows..... 

    In any event I do hope we can track her heritage down. Wouldn't it make the most romantic rom com movie. Maybe she did get taken in by My Fair Lady just like Elwyn suggested.

    If anyone wants to take a look at my Holmes Family Tree you can find it on ancestry.com My username is Proodlegee. I have all sorts of documentaion, photo's and records for both Yvonne and WGH. It is a public tree.

    I tried finding your tree Nick but nothing came up (I'm new to this)

    Thanks everyone for your help.

    Regards

    Prue Graham

    New Zealand

     

    Proodledee

    Tuesday 11th Jan 2022, 01:33AM
  • Prue,

    Here’s the birth certificate for George Bracken (actual date is 24th Jan 1882) in Blacklion, Co Cavan.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02794/2025384.pdf

    Here’s George Bracken’s family in Blacklion in 1901:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Tuam/Blacklion/1050047/

    George was away from home, studying medicine at Trinity in Dublin, in 1901:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/St__Stephen_s_Green_S_/1307640/

    Can’t see him in 1911 in England or Ireland, but he may have been serving overseas with the army by then.

    So not sure if his birth in Ireland really helps link him to Yvonne, who was supposedly born in Buncrana which is about 100 miles north of Blacklion, and 150 miles from Dublin. I am not sure how their paths would have crossed in Ireland.

    I searched births in Inishowen (the registration district that includes Buncrana) for the years 1890 – 1905 to cover all the years of birth attributed to her. You can search on forename alone. There wasn’t a single child named Yvonne registered there in that period. I likewise searched on Dor* (which allows for all spellings of Dorine/Doreen/Doriye). I found 5 Dorothys and 1 Dora. (Dora Ussher Smith, a Minister’s daughter born 1904 in Carndonagh). No Doreens or variants. No-one named Rawlinson born there in that whole period either.

    Yvonne’s statement in her 1953 naturalisation application that she was born in Buncrana, Northern Ireland, is quite significant to me. (Anyone saying that here in Ireland would be corrected straight away). That would be like me telling you I was born in Auckland, on the South Island. You would know straight away that was wrong, and that anyone genuinely born in Auckland would know where it was.  I don't know why Yvonne “chose” Buncrana as her place of birth but she clearly didn’t actually know precisely where it is.  So where does she come from?

    It’s interesting that you say that Yvonne said she was only ever married twice. If so, when she married George Bracken, and said she was a widow, that must have been untrue. So why would she do that? Was it some sort of smokescreen to cover her real identity? A lady of mystery, certainly.   

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 11th Jan 2022, 05:38AM

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