Looking for ancestral family info

Hi Glenn,

I searched www.rootsireland.ie/ for your ancestors and found the following (nothing earlier than 1870):

Name:Hugh ScollenDate of Birth:26-Jun-1870
Registration Date:06-Jul-1870Address:DerryelbinParish/District:ClonesGender:MaleCountyMonaghan
Father:John ScollenMother:Anne CorriganOccupation:Farmer
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:John Derryelbin

Name:Hugh ScollanDate of Birth:09-Nov-1871
Date of Baptism:
Address:Cornagague (See Corrardaghy)Parish/District:ClonesGender:MCountyCo. Monaghan
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Thomas ScollanMother:Margaret Kelly

IF Hugh followed the Irish naming pattern in naming his own children, his first son would have been named after his father and second daughter after his mother; do either of the above fit? First record has no religion given; 2nd is R C - any clue there?

I'm aware you're probably concerned about the 5 year difference from 1865 but there was a lot of inaccuracy due to illiteracy and simply that no notice was taken of birth dates

I couldn't find the Scollins-Slattery or O'Keefe-Ryan marriages

The Irish Censuses are free to search on-line at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/; there are no Scollins until 1901 which has 13 in Leitrim, Monaghan & Longford; 1911 has 16

I tried Scullins but there were none; Scullen has 18 in Londonderry in 183; 1 in Antrim in 1851; 117 in 1901 & 84 in 1911

Nothing in the Tithe Applotments

Only 4 in Griffiths Valuation http://www.askaboutireland.ie/ - Scullen all in Antrim 1860

I can't find an Irish telephone directory online to refer you to for finding Scollins still in Ireland I'm afraid

Col

Hi ColCaff, 

Thank you for all your help. I'm not sure if either of the above are the Hugh Scollins I was looking for. He listed his age as 45 on a 1910 US census (puts him born in 1865), although like you said those dates could be off. We are roman catholic so the second name would probably be the best bet i think.

I know that Hugh's middle named started with the letter "J", he was married to Ellen Slattery (must've been married in the US since she came from England, hence why you couldn't find the marraige record), and they had at least 12 children starting in 1891 (all born in the US I believe so again probably why there are no records) named George, Hugh, Margaret, James Lawrence, Harold, Sarah, Marion, Catherine Mary, Roland, William Randolph, Gerad, and John. He did have a daughter Margaret and the second name lists his mother as Margaret Kelly so maybe there is a connection there... 

He just listed "Ireland" as his birthplace on the census plus he may have changed his last name when he came to America so I understand that this is really a shot in the dark. That being said, I really appreciate all your work. Thank you so much and if you happen to find anything else based on the above information please let me know :)

Glenn

I also forgot to mention that he listed his profession as a "photo engraver" for a newspaper. This could just be his new profession in the U.S, but I didn't know if maybe this was a craft he learned of a job he held in Ireland before he emigrated in 1872. 

Sorry for the message overload here but I was able to find out a little more information. I'll sum it up below:

According to records i've seen, Hugh J Scollins was born in Ireland around 1865 (possibly 1863). He emigrated to America around 1872. His parents names were George and Margaret Scollins (maiden name McGuire) and they were born in Ireland around 1842 and 1844 respectively. Margaret's parents names were Patrick McGuire and Catherine Laferty, birth dates unknown. 

I'm not sure if this helps shed any new light but if anyone has additional information that would be great!

Glenn

It's frustrating for you Glenn!

The middle name clue should help but it is rare for records to include middle names!!

The occupation clue of photo engraver could have been pursued but Hugh was only seven when he left I think; born 1865 & left 1872

Looks like the Scollins and McGuires were marrying in Clones from the 1820's:

Date of Marriage:05-Oct-1827
Parish / District:Clones Catholic Church
County:Co. Monaghan
Husband Patrick McGuire Kileevan :Parish
Wife RoseanneScolan Clones Parish

I tried family search which has a few Hugh Scullin births; there is 1 in 1866 but the one but parents aren't listed!

I did find an Irish phone book: https://www.eirphonebook.ie/ which has 3 Scullion listings so  you could drop them a note (not cold call) 

On the basis of the children's names you provided, Hugh's parents would have been George and Sara; I tried the surname variants with those first names on rootsireland baptisms but no luck!

The child's address in this record looks interesting:
Name:Hugh ScullionDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:11-Mar-1866Address:BallyscullionParish/District:BELLAGHYGender:MaleCountyCo. Derry
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:James ScullionMother:Rose ScullionOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:James ScullionSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Bridget Scullion

No luck with George or Margaret's baptism records I'm afraid

Col

Thank you so much for this additional info. At least it gives me a place to start along with a pretty good guess at where my father's slide of the family is from!

Glenn