M’Leary / McCleary / McLeary of Derry married Daly of Tyrone

Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church. Have you searched St Columbs records for Eleanor’s baptism (and that of any siblings)? Their records go back to 1642.

I looked at Slater’s Directory 1846. It lists 5 bookbinders in Derry but none named McLeary:

https://www.failteromhat.com/slater/0198.pdf

Likewise in 1824:

https://www.failteromhat.com/pigot/0108.pdf

The 1831 census has several James McLeary/McCleary/McCleery entries but none in Derry itself.

Something to bear in mind was that if this was a mixed marriage (as your Tyrone post states), Eleanor may not have been brought up Church of Ireland. She may have been Presbyterian (a lot of the population in that area were, being descendants of Scots who arrived in the 1600s). In 1839 neither the RC nor Presbyterian churches routinely married mixed denomination couples, whereas the Church of Ireland would marry anyone. So until the law was changed in 1845, a lot of mixed denomination couples used the Church of Ireland even though neither of them was of that denomination themselves. So probably worth checking the Presbyterian baptism records for Derry, if you don’t find Eleanor in the COI records.

Note that Eleanor may appear in records as Ellen, which was very popular in Ireland.

Hi Elwyn
Thanks for your reply! And she is definitely called Ellen in the Irish record and shipping list, but death cert has Eleanor or Elleanor, as do the children's birth records.
It is from her death certificate that she was from Londonderry, married in Londonderry, and her father's occupation listed as book binder.
I think I was assuming she was married in her church based on the marriage index I found years ago on rootsireland.ie, which had the marriage at St Columb's Co. Derry. The marriage date is estimated, I suppose from indexes which cover a few months. As they sailed from London on 22 Sept 1839, they would have married "shortly"? before that? So the 1 October 1839 date is too late. I have attached this along with the shipping records. Now that you say it could be a mixed marriage, I realise you could be right - the shipping list has her down as Protestant and him as Roman Catholic, which he certainly was, though that says they were both from Strabane. They are buried in the RC section of the cemetery in Melbourne. Where do I find the Presbyterian records for Derry? I do have Ancestry, but I struggle to find the right churches when looking! It seems St Columb's Derry City is under Catholic registers and start at 1823, so I assume I have the wrong church? THanks so much for your help.
Karina

There are 2 St Columbs in the City of Derry. One Church of Ireland and the other RC. (It tends to be known as Long Tower though).  This has to be Church of Ireland because the RC church wouldn’t allow a mixed denomination marriage in 1839. I have not seen “inferred date” on a marriage record like that before. All I can assume is that on the original document the date is missing or unclear, and they have guessed from the nearest legible dates. It was common for folk to migrate promptly after marriage so chances are the marriage was in September, just before they sailed but the exact date is unknown or illegible. It’s normally possible to get the precise date of the marriage from the original marriage records (either in the church or in PRONI) but presumably the date is not legible. At that period all that was normally recorded were the couples names, the date and the names of their 2 witnesses. No parents names or addresses etc.

There are several Presbyterian churches in the city. The one with the oldest records is 1st Derry but they only start in 1815. (The church was there long before that but either they weren’t keeping records or they have been lost). There’s a copy in PRONI in Belfast. They may not be on-line anywhere. If you are unable to go yourself, you could employ a researcher. Researchers in the PRONI area: http://sgni.net

I had a look in the street directories for a McCleary book binder in Strabane but none is listed for the town in the 1820s or 1840s.

There’s 3 Presbyterian churches around Strabane (Strabane 1st, Strabane 2nd & Leckpatrick). The earliest records (Strabane 1st) date from 1828. Not early enough to contain Ellen’s baptism.