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Hi, I am trying to locate the birth of an infant who died in 1899. She was Norah Cleland Majury who died October 31st. I think her mother could have been Sarah Cleland Majury. Norah's birth was notified by a Susan Bingham from 50 Hutchinson St Belfast. Looking at the census of 1901, Susan Bingham shared her house with many young lodgers. A Sarah Magury is recorded as being an inmate at Edgar Home Institue Brunswick Street Belfast in the 1901 Census.I wonder if this was her mother. 

Sarah Cleland Majury sadly died on 7/11/1931 in a mental hospital and is buried alongside her mother Margaret Brown Majury and stepmother Eleanor Margaret Majury.

If this is the connection I think it is, it is a sad story.

I look forward to any insight from others.

Karen

KarenMajTop

Friday 15th October 2021, 09:53AM

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  • Karen

    See the first record at this link: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retur.... Sarah was indeed her mother. There doesn't seem to be a record of her birth in the civil records or on the subscription site RootsIreland.

    Best wishes, Kieran

    Kieran Jordan, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 18th October 2021, 05:20PM
  • Hello Karen,

    A copy of the original death record for baby Norah Majury, referenced by Kieran Jordan, shows that Norah was the, “Child of Sarah Majury of no occupation.” The absence of the name of the father is an indication that Norah was born out of wedlock.

    The death record, from the free irishgenealogy.ie website, is attached to this reply, and shows that Norah died of “Congestion of lungs 6 days.”

    It looks like both Sarah and her child Norah were living in a boarding house owned by Susan Bingham of 50 Hutchinson Street in Belfast at that time that Norah died in 1899.

    Two years later the 1901 census shows that Sarah “Magury,” was living in the Edgar Home Institution in Brunswick Street. On the 1901 Census Form G, this institution is listed as a College and Boarding School. See: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000339992/

    If you scroll down Form G you’ll see Sarah Magury recorded on Line 5. She was “Not Married.”

    Information from Wikipedia shows the institution was also known as the “Ulster Female Penitentiary,” or the “Edgar Home,” and that it was a “Mother and Baby home” in Brunswick Street, Belfast. See the Wikipedia article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Female_Penitentiary

    Brunswick Street is still extent in Belfast, but Hutchinson Street, where Susan Bingham ran a boarding house and where Norah died, is no longer there. It was located near present-day Stanley Street and the Grosvenor Road Police Station.

    A Google Map shows that Stanley Street and the Grosvenor Road Police Station are just over a half mile west of Brunswick Street in Belfast: https://is.gd/7no6B5

    An Ordnance Survey Map of Belfast from the early 1900s shows the location of Hutchinson Street and Stanley Street toward the upper left center of the map, west of the Royal Academy Institute.

    Brunswick Street is toward the center-right of the map, just below Howard Street.
    The Ordnance Survey Map, from the Public Records of Northern Ireland, is attached to this reply.

    Karen, I looked for Nora Majury’s birth record at the irishgenealogy.ie website but didn’t find it. Births at that time were reported to district registrars, in this case a Belfast district registrar, by either the father or mother of the child, a relative, a midwife, a friend, or the person who was the head of an institution if the birth took place in a hospital, an institution, a workhouse or an infirmary. It appears no one had reported Norah’s birth, at least not that I could find.

    I was curious about Sarah and so I wanted to se if I could find any more information about her. In your message to Ireland Reaching Out you had stated that Sarah’s middle name was “Cleland,” and that her mother was Margaret Brown Majury. Sarah’s stepmother was Eleanor Margaret Majury.

    I found Sarah’s birth record at the irishgenealogy.ie website. She was born in 19 Castle Lane, Belfast, on 12 May 1879. Her full name is Sarah Ann Clelland Majury. Her father is Andrew Majury, a “Spirit Dealer & Hotel Keeper.” Andrew’s residence was 19 Castle Lane. Sarah’s mother is Margaret Robertson Majury, formerly Tod. Andrew reported the birth to the deputy registrar, Robert Humphrey, who recorded the birth in the Belfast No. 6 Registration District on 7 August 1879. Sarah’s birth is attached to this reply.

    I next uncovered the marriage record for Andrew Majury and Margaret Brown Tod, who were married on 20 February 1872 in the Clifton Street Presbyterian Church, Belfast. At the time of the marriage Andrew and Margaret were of “Full” age, meaning 21 years or older. Andrew had been a bachelor and Margaret a spinster. Andrew’s occupation was “Ironmonger.” His residence was Belfast. His father is Samuel Majury, a farmer.

    No occupation is recorded for Margaret. Her residence at the time of marriage was Belfast. Her father is Charles Tod, a Merchant.

    Andrew and Margaret were married by License by a minister named John Mcredy. The witnesses to the marriage were Robert Nixon and Susanna B. Tod. A copy of the original marriage record, from the irishgenealogy.ie website, is attached to this reply.

    In looking for more information about the Clifton Street Presbyterian Church in Belfast, I found it had been destroyed in World War II during the blitz in April 1941. See the Wikipedia Article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_Blitz

    A Google Map shows that present-day Clifton Street is due north of Stanley Street and the Grosvenor Road Police Station and Brunswick Street, in Belfast, all west of the River Lagan: https://is.gd/gdQAZz

    For a Google Street View of Clifton Street, see: https://is.gd/qK69nn

    THE BIRTH OF CHARLES WILLIAM MAJURY

    Andrew and Margaret’s first child was Charles William Majury. He was born on 20 January 1873 in an address of 6 & 8 Great Victoria Street, Belfast. His father is Andrew Majury, a Hotel Keeper of 6 & 8 Great Victoria Street. Charles’s mother is Margaret B. Majury, Formerly Tod. Andrew reported the birth to the Deputy Registrar, Robert Humphrey Jr., and the Superintendent Registrar William Frederick Boyce. The birth was recorded in the Belfast No. 6 Registration District on 22 April 1873. The birth record is from irishgenealogy.ie and is attached to this reply.

    For a Google Map of Great Victoria Street, Belfast, see: https://is.gd/lE5pGr

    A Google Street View of Great Victoria Street shows the Europa Hotel on the left and the Crown Liquor Saloon on the right: https://is.gd/QJ3TTf

    THE BIRTH OF SAMUEL MAJURY

    Samuel was born in 8 Great Victoria Street, Belfast on 22 September 1874. His father is Andrew Majury, a Hotel Keeper of 8 Great Victoria Street. Samuel’s mother is Margaret Brown Majury, formerly Tod. Andrew reported the birth to the Deputy Registrar, Robert Humphrey Jr., who recorded the birth in the Belfast No. 6 Registration District on 8 October 1874. Samuel’s birth record is attached to this reply.

    THE BIRTH OF MARGARET ROBERTSON MAJURY

    Margaret’s birth took place on 27 March 1876 in 19 Castle Lane. Her father is Andrew Majury, a Hotel Keeper of 19 Castle Lane. Her mother is Margaret Brown Majury, formerly Brown Tod. Andrew reported the birth to the Deputy Registrar, Robert Humphrey Jr., who recorded the birth in the Belfast No. 6 Registration District on 8 May 1876. Margaret’s birth is attached to this reply.

    Charles William Majury and Samuel Majury were born in Great Victoria Street. Margaret was born in Castle Lane. A Google Map shows that Castle Lane is a short walk north from Great Victoria Street: https://is.gd/6W5kbo

    For a Google Street View of Castle Lane, Belfast, go to: https://is.gd/Whlyb4

    THE BIRTH OF THOMAS MCARA MAJURY

    Thomas was born in 19 Castle Lane, Belfast, on 29 December 1877. His father is Andrew Majury, a Hotel Keeper of 19 Castle Lane. Thomas’s mother is Margaret Brown Majury, formerly “Todd.” Andrew reported the birth to the Deputy Registrar, Robert Humphrey Jr., who recorded the birth in the Belfast No. 6 Registration District on 21 February 1878. Thomas’s birth record is attached to this reply.

    I located the following explanation for the name McAra at Google:

    “On the Scottish west coast, the McAra family was born among the ancient Dalriadan clans. Their name comes from the name Macara, which is the Gaelic word for son of the young, manly one.”
    ____

    THE BIRTH OF CHARLOTTE WILSON MAJURY

    Charlotte was born in 19 Castle Lane on 10 August 1880. Her father is Andrew Majury, a Hotel Keeper of 19 Castle Lane. Her mother is Margaret Brown Majury, formerly Todd. Andrew reported the birth to the Deputy Registrar, Robert Humphrey Jr., who recorded the birth in the Belfast No. 6 Registration District on 28 August 1880. Charlotte’s birth is attached to this reply.

    THE DEATH OF MARGARET BROWN MAJURY

    Margaret died in Castle Lane, Belfast, on 17 April 1882 at the age of 33 years. She is shown to have been married and the “Wife of a Hotel Keeper.” The cause of death was, “Gastric Cancer 2 years.” Andrew reported the death to the Assistant Registrar, A. Morrison, who recorded the death in the Belfast No. 6 Registration District on 22 April 1882. Margaret’s death record is attached to this reply.

    THE MARRIAGE OF ANDREW MAJURY AND ELLEN MARGARET PHILLIPS

    You information shows that Sarah Cleland’s stepmother was Eleanor Margaret Majury. I found the marriage of Andrew Majury and Ellen Margaret Phillips at the irishgenealogy.ie website. They were married in the Clifton Street Presbyterian Church, Belfast, on what appears to be 5 June 1883. At the time of marriage both were of “Full” age. Andrew was a “Widower” and Ellen a “Spinster.” Andrew’s occupation was “Hotel Keeper.” His residence at the time of marriage was Belfast His father is Saml (Samuel) Majury, a Farmer.

    No occupation is recorded for Ellen, whose residence at the time of marriage was also Belfast. Her father James Phillips, a Farmer.

    Andrew and Ellen were married by License by John Mcredy. Because of the handwriting I could not clearly make out the names of the witnesses to the marriage, though the name of one of the witnesses may be Lizzie Orr. The marriage record is attached to this reply.

    I found the marriage announcement for Andrew and Ellen at Ancestry.com’s, “Belfast, Northern Ireland, The Belfast Newsletter (Birth, Marriage and Death Notices), 1738-1925.”

    The marriage announcement was published in the Belfast Newsletter for the Wednesday, June 6 1883 edition.

    See the index below:

    Belfast, Northern Ireland, The Belfast Newsletter (Birth, Marriage and Death Notices), 1738-1925

    Name: Andrew Majury
    Gender: Male
    Notice Type: Marriage
    Residence Place: Belfast, Northern Ireland
    Marriage Date: 5 Jun 1883
    Spouse: Ellen M Phillips
    Publication Date: 6 June 1883

    Source Citation
    Linen Hall Library; Belfast, Northern Ireland; Periodicals & Newspapers, Irish & Reference

    Source Information
    Ancestry.com. Belfast, Northern Ireland, The Belfast Newsletter (Birth, Marriage and Death Notices), 1738-1925 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011. This collection was indexed by Ancestry World Archives Project contributors.
    ____

    See the attachment for a copy the original marriage announcement in the Belfast Newsletter.

    The question I had after finding the marriage for Andrew and Ellen was, did they have any children?

    I looked for the births of children they may have had, and found only one. But this child was born almost 5 years after Andrew and Ellen had married.

    THE BIRTH OF ANDREW MAJURY

    Andrew was born on 24 April 1888. His birth took place at 19 Castle Lane, Belfast. His father is Andrew Majury, a “Hotel proprietor,” living in 19 Castle Lane. Andrew’s mother is Ellen Margaret Majury, formerly Phillips. Andrew reported the birth to the Registrar, whose name appears to be H.R. Jorrens. The birth was recorded in the Belfast No. 6 Registration District on 17 May 1888. The birth record for Andrew is attached to this reply.

    THE 1901 CENSUS

    The 1901 census of Ireland was enumerated on Sunday evening, 31 March, and so I next looked for Andrew and his family in the 1901 census, and found them at 19 Castle Lane. The census is from the National Archives of Ireland.

    Along with 54 year old Andrew in the household, is his 50 year old wife Ellen, and three children. These are 28 year old Charles William Majury; 25 year old Margaret Robin Majury; and 12 year old Andrew Majury. All in the household are shown to be Presbyterian. The census also shows that Andrew and his wife Ellen were born in County Down, but that the children were born in Belfast.

    Andrew Sr’s occupation is Hotel Keeper. No occupation is recorded for his wife Ellen.

    His daughter Margaret and son Charles are each employed as a Clerk in a Whiskey office. Young Andrew Majury is a Scholar, or student.

    The 1901 census transcription for the Majury family can be found at: https://is.gd/C9yhu5

    Once the page downloads, make sure to click on, “Show all information” to view the full census page.

    A copy of the original 1901 census can be viewed at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000338883/

    Toward the bottom right of the census form you’ll see Andrew Majury’s signature. To the left of his signature is the name of the constable who collected the census form from the Majury household. The constable’s name is Joseph Wolfe.

    I went back to Google Maps at this point to see how far Castle Lane is from Brunswick Street. If you recall Andrew’s daughter Sarah was recorded in the 1901 census, living in the Edgar Home, in Brunswick Street, also known as the Ulster Female Penitentiary.

    The Google Map shows that Castle Lane and Brunswick Street are only a quarter mile from one another: https://is.gd/j9bvs7

    I located more information about the Ulster Female Penitentiary at the childrenshome.or.uk website link, which shows that by year 1897, “Fallen women” could remain in the institution for two years. Free.” See: http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/list/MH15.shtml

    Sarah’s baby, Norah, had died on 31 October 1899, less than two years before the census was taken on 31 March 1901, and that may be the reason why Sarah was still allowed to remain in Edgar Home. Also I didn’t find that Sarah had any more children between 1898 and 1901.

    By the time of the 1901 census Andrew Majury would have been a hotel keeper for about 27 years. The first record where he is recorded as being a hotel keeper is the birth record for his and Margaret’s son, Charles William, who was born on 20 January 1873, 11 months after the marriage of Andrew and Margaret.

    I located several Belfast directory Listings for Andrew Majury. Three directory listings are attached to this reply, and show he was the hotel Keeper for the Wellington Hotel, or Wellington Arms Hotel, located in 19 Castle Lane.

    The directory listings attached are for the years 1877, 1880 and 1900, and can be searched from the Public Records of Northern Ireland (PRONI) website link at:
    https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-street-directories

    THE DEATH OF ANDREW MAJURY

    The next record I uncovered at the irishgenealogy.ie website was the civil registration death record for Andrew Majury. He died in Castle Lane on 27 October 1901 at the age of 54. At the time of death he was married. His occupation was, “Publican.” The cause of death was, “Nephritis. Uraemic Convulsions 8 hours.” The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the registrar was Andrew’s son Chas. (Charles) W. Majury of 19 Castle Lane. The name of the Assistant Registrar who recorded the death looks like G. Lupane. The death was recorded in the Belfast No. 6 Registration District on 28 October 1901, and is attached to this reply.

    At Ancestry.com’s collection, “Ireland, Calendar of Wills and Administrations, 1858-1920,” I found information about Andrew’s will, including a copy of the original Calendar of Wills and Administration where his death is recorded, showing he left his widow Margaret Ellen £1,121 3s. 7d.

    A copy of the original Calendar of Wills and Administrations entry for Andrew, from the National Archives of Ireland, can be viewed at:
    http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014912/0050149...

    At the CPI Inflation Calculator website, I found that £1,121 in 1901 British Pound Sterling, adjusted for inflation, is worth £141,337.50 today. See: https://www.in2013dollars.com/uk/inflation/1901?amount=1121

    This shows that Andrew left his wife very well of after he died.

    By the 1911 census 65 year old Ellen Margaret Majury and her three adult children were still living at 19 Castle Lane, Belfast. Margaret is shown to be a widow who was born in County Down. The census also shows she had one child who was born and one child who was living. That child would be 22 year old Andrew Majury, who was employed as a Clerk. The oldest child in the household is 35 year old Margaret Robinson Majury, who is recorded as Ellen’s Step Daughter. Margaret is employed as a Book Keeper. Also in the household is 33 year old Thomas McAra Majury, employed as a Spirit Merchant. The Majurys are all shown to be able to read and write and all were Presbyterian. There is also a Domestic Servant in the household. This is 38 year old Catherine Maguire, born in County Fermanagh. She was Roman Catholic, could read and write and was single.

    The 1911 census transcription from the National Archives of Ireland can be viewed at: https://is.gd/67XZwW

    Once again, make sure to click on, “Show all information to view the full census page.

    A copy of the original 1911 census for the Majury household can be found at:
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001398717/

    Unfortunately, I did not find Sarah Majury in the 1911 census of Ireland

    THE DEATH OF ELEANOR MARGARET MAJURY

    Eleanor died on 24 November 1916, according to her death record from the irishgenealogy.ie website. The place of death was 19 Castle Lane. She is recorded as being a 74 year old “Widow of Spirit Merchant.” The cause of death was, “Softening of Brain 6 months. Cardiac failure.” The person who was present at the death and who reported Eleanor’s death to the Assistant Registrar was her son, Chas (Charles) W Majury. The Assistant Registrar, Lupane, recorded the death in the Belfast Urban No. 1 Registration District on 29 November 1916. The death record is attached to this reply.

    I next located Eleanor Margaret Majury recorded in the Calendar of Wills and Administration, showing that she left an estate worth £405 6s. 4d. to her son, Charles W. Majury.

    See the Calendar of Wills and Administration entry for Eleanor at the following link from the National Archives of Ireland:
    http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014920/0050149...

    The CPI Inflation Calculator shows that £405 adjusted for inflation, would be the equivalent of £36,136.93 today. See:
    https://www.in2013dollars.com/uk/inflation/1916?amount=405

    CHURCH RECORDS AND CIVIL REGISTRATION

    Andrew Majury’s two marriages took place in the Clifton Street Presbyterian Church in Belfast. Marriages traditionally take place in the bride’s parish, but Clifton Street may also have been Andrew’s parish church as well.

    The two marriage records for Andrew Majury attached to this reply are civil registration marriage records, not Presbyterian Church record marriages. Civil registration began in Ireland on 1 April 1845, but at this this time only Protestant and civil marriages were recorded by the government. Births, Catholic marriages, and death were not recorded then.

    Civil registration of births, marriages, and deaths for all religious denominations were recorded by the government beginning on 1 January 1864.

    But in addition to the civil registration marriage records, you may want to learn if there are Clifton Street Presbyterian Church marriage records for the marriage of Andrew Majury and Margaret Brown Tod in 1872, and a Clifton Street Presbyterian Church marriage record for Andrew Majury and Ellen Margaret Phillips in 1883.

    Also recorded in the Clifton Street Presbyterian Church may be baptism records for Andrew and Margaret Brown Tod Majury’s children. Their children are Charles William (1873), Samuel (1874), Margaret Robertson (1876), Thomas Macra (1877), and Charlotte Wilson in 1880.

    Andrew and his second wife, Ellen Margaret Phillips had a child named Andrew, born in 1888, and so you can also see if there is a baptism record for him.

    According to PRONI’s “A Guide To Church Records,” Clifton Street Presbyterian Church records of baptism are available from the years 1861 to 1949, and marriages from 1862 to 1953. There are no records of burials.

    The PRONI guide also shows that the Clifton Street Presbyterian Church later became known as the Clifton Street United Presbyterian Church. The registers for the church, according to the PRONI guide, are held by the Presbyterian Historical Society. See the attachment.

    The Presbyterian Historical Society is located in the Assembly Buildings, Fisherwick Place, Belfast, and has a paid research service that can see look for the marriage records for Andrew Majury, and the baptism records for his children. The service costs £10.00 per hour, but with the dates of marriage and births that you have from this reply, the research time wouldn’t be as long as it would if you didn’t have the dates of marriage and baptisms.

    For more information about Family History and Paid Research at the Presbyterian Historical Society, see:
    https://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com/our-services/family-history/#...

    The home page for the Presbyterian Historical Society can be found at: https://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com/

    OBSERVATIONS

    Karen, by the time Sarah Majury was born in 1879 her father Andrew had been a hotel keeper and spirit dealer in Belfast for at least six years. It does not appear that Karen and her siblings were born into a life of poverty, as so many were in Ireland all through the 19th century.

    What is interesting to note is that in the 1872 marriage record for Andrew Majury and Margaret Brown Tod, Andrew’s occupation is “Ironmonger.” But, the birth record for Andrew and Margaret’s son, Charles William, 11 months later in 1873, shows that Andrew’s occupation was “Hotel Keeper.” How did that happen?

    An ironmonger not only manufactured items such as nails, door hinges, household utensils and the like, but also sold them, in what would become known as hardware stores in some countries, such as the United States.

    I suspect in Belfast, Andrew sold nails, hinges, and other metal items in a shop, much like the modern ironmonger’s shop one you see in the picture from Pickering, North Yorkshire: https://is.gd/yqCO7p

    The picture of the ironmonger’s shop was found at Wikipedia. You can read more about ironmongers in the Wikipedia article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironmongery

    The marriage record shows that Margaret Tod’s father Charles Tod was a “Merchant,” but doesn’t say where he was a merchant. It may have been Belfast, and I am wondering if Charles Tod had given Andrew financial assistance in becoming a hotel keeper. Or, did Andrew make enough money as an ironmonger to purchase a hotel?

    From the 1901 census, it is perplexing why Andrew’s daughter Sarah chose to stay in the Edgar home in Brunswick Street, when her father Andrew, stepmother Ellen, brother Charles William, sister Margaret, and stepbrother Andrew, were living in Castle Lane, which is within walking distance of Brunswick Street.

    By 1901 Andrew was worth quite a bit of money by standards of the time. He died in 1901. The Calendar of Wills and Administrations record shows he left his wife over £1,000, and so the family would have had enough money to support Sarah.

    The question I have is, did Sarah and her father have a disagreement because Sarah wasn’t married when Norah was born? Or, did they have a falling out before that?

    Andrew had married Ellen Margaret Phillips on 5 June 1883. His first wife Margaret died on 17 April 1882. Could Sarah have been upset over that marriage, 14 months after her mother died?

    What is disappointing is that I didn’t find Sarah Majury in the 1911 census. The 1911 census would have given information about where she was living and what she was doing to make a living.

    Karen, do you know what Sarah did after she left the Edgar home. How did she support herself for the next several years, up until her death in 1931?

    I located Find A Grave entries for Nora Cleland Majury, Andrew Majury, Margaret Brown Majury, Eleanor Margaret Majury, and Charles William Majury. If you do not have these I can send them to you in a follow-up reply.

    I’m going to close here as this reply is getting lengthy, but I’d like to mention that I found the marriage record for Andrew Majury’s father, Samuel, and other records pertaining to Samuel and his family, which I’ll post in a follow-up reply, as you may not have these records.

    Best Wishes,

    Dave Boylan

    SOURCES

    irishgenealogy.ie
    National Archives of Ireland: 1901 Census
    Wikipedia
    Ordnance Survey Map/Public Records Office of Northern Ireland
    Google Maps
    Google Street Views
    Ancestry.com
    Belfast Newsletter
    http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/list/MH15.shtml
    Public Records of Northern Ireland (PRONI): https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-street-directories
    Ancestry.com: Ireland, Calendar of Wills and Administrations
    CPI Inflation Calculator: https://www.in2013dollars.com/uk/inflation/1901?amount=1121
    National Archives of Ireland: 1911 Census
    PRONI: A Guide To Church Records
    Presbyterian Historical Society
    Find A Grave

    davepat

    Tuesday 19th October 2021, 04:46PM

    Attached Files

  • Kieran and Dave thank you so much

    I believe Margaret Brown Tod came from Scotland originally and I have been trying to relocate my source. Thanks Dave for all the source material and have confirmed my thoughts that Norah was the daughter of Sarah Ann Cleland Majury, Sarah  died in 1931 in Belfast Mental Hospital. But I assume if she was in a mental instituion in 1911 that would have been recorded in the census. Also, her father Andrew is buried separatly to both of his 2 wives and is buried alongside 3 men called Montgomery see -

    https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSecti...

    I think there is alot more to this story.

    Andrew father Samuel was my great, great grandfather whose descendents, whom I visit, still live on the same farm as Samuel did.

    Thanks again 

    Karen

     

    KarenMajTop

    Thursday 21st October 2021, 06:23PM
  • Hello Karen,

    Thank you for writing and for the additional information.

    Toward the end of this reply I’ll have more details about the three Montgomery’s buried in the same “Grave section and number” as Andrew Majury
    in the Belfast City Cemetery, though I am not sure why Andrew is buried there away from his other family members.

    But, to continue from the first communication I posted…

    THE MARRIAGE OF SAMUEL MAJURY AND SARAH CLELAND

    Both marriage records for Andrew Majury show that his father was Samuel. In addition, the 1901 census shows that Andrew Majury was born in County Down.

    I found the civil marriage record showing that Samuel Majury and Sarah Ann Cleland were married on 25 February 1846. The handwriting is faded and not the easiest to decipher in the marriage record. I’ll have more information a little later about what church the marriage may have taken place in.

    With this marriage record you can now see why Andrew’s daughter had been given her first and middle names of Sarah Cleland.

    The marriage record shows that Andrew and Sarah were both of “full age” when they married. Andrew had been a “Batchelor,” and Sarah a Spinster. Samuel’s occupation is Farmer. No occupation is recorded for Sarah. Samuel’s residence at the time of marriage was Tolnacree. This would actually be a reference to the townland of Tullynacree, Civil Parish of Kilmore.

    The name of Samuel’s father is Andrew, who was a farmer.

    Sarah Cleland’s residence at the time of marriage was Creevycarnonan, which was also situated in the Kilmore Civil Parish in County Down.

    Sarah’s father is William Cleland, a farmer.

    Samuel and Sarah were married by License. It looks like the name of the Presbyterian minister who married them was William Crozier. I could not tell what the first names or initials of the two witnesses were. The last name of one of the witnesses was Ashley. The last name of the second witness was McMurry.

    Samuel and Sarah both signed the marriage register without assistance, which indicates they could read and write. The marriage is Number 3 on the attached marriage register.

    The marriage was recorded in the Downpatrick Registration District. See the marriage index below from irishgenealogy.ie:

    SR District/Reg Area - Downpatrick
    Marriage of SAMUEL MAJURY and SARAH CLELAND on 25 February 1846

    Party 1 Name SAMUEL MAJURY
    Party 2 Name SARAH CLELAND
    Date of Event 25 February 1846
    Group Registration ID 3164966
    SR District/Reg Area Downpatrick
    ____

    I had to enlarge a copy of the original the marriage record a great deal to see if I could determine the name of the Presbyterian Church where Samuel and Sarah were married. It also appears the other two marriages in the register took place in the same Presbyterian Church.

    It looks like the name of the church was the First Remonstrant Meeting House in Kilmore. I believe this could be a reference to the First Kilmore Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church. The term “Remonstrance,” means Opposing.

    This congregation may also be known as the Rademon Secessionist Presbyterian Church, or the Rademon Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church.

    Information from the ancestryireland.com website describes the church, as quoted below:

    23. RADEMON, COUNTY DOWN

    The congregation was formed in 1713 and is also known as First Kilmore. The solidly built, T-plan meeting house is one of the finest examples of a Presbyterian place of worship built in the vernacular style. It was erected in 1787 during the ministry of the Rev. Moses Neilson, a fluent Irish speaker. Neilson established a successful academy at Rademon. His son William also became a Presbyterian minister and was one of the foremost scholars of the Irish language of his day.
    ____

    Also see a description and photo of the Rademon Non Subscribing Presbyterian Church from the Ros Davies website link:
    https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/genealogy/PHOTOSwords/KilmoreA...

    The 1901 census shows that Andrew Majury was 54 years old. His 1901 death record also shows he had been 54 years old. This places his year of birth 1847, the year after his parents married.

    There won’t be a civil registration birth record for Andrew. As noted previously births were not recorded by the government until 1864.

    PRONI’s “A Guide To Church Records,” shows that the N.S.P. (Non Subscribing Presbyterian) Church for Rademon has registers of baptisms for the years 1830 to 1892, and marriages from 1832 to 1846 and from 1879 to 1882. These records are available at PRONI and available in microfilm reference CR4/2; MIC1B/13.

    This microfilm can be searched at PRONI in Belfast, but if you cannot search the microfilm yourself, you can engage PRONI’s fee paying service to have the Rademon Presbyterian Church registers searched for you. For more information about PRONI’s fee paying service go to the enquiry service page at:
    https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/proni-enquiry-service

    GRIFFITHS VALUATION

    After locating the marriage record for Samuel Majury and Sarah Ann Cleland, I wanted to see if Samuel had been recorded leasing property in the townland of Tullynacreee, Civil Parish of Kilmore, in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation.

    Griffiths Valuation was conducted in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for County Down was completed by the year 1863.

    Unlike a census, Griffiths Valuation did not enumerate individual members of a family, such as husband, wife, and children in a household residence. Those named in the valuation were individuals who paid to lease property, such as land, houses, and outbuildings. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an “Occupier.” The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman collecting the rent on Gale Day for the owner. This middleman was called the “Immediate Lessor.”

    You can access Griffiths Valuation transcriptions and original copies for free at the Ask About Ireland website link at:
    http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

    I found that Samuel Majury leased a house, offices and two parcels of land in Tullynacree, Kilmore Civil Parish, County Down, from an Immediate Lessor named William B. Forde.

    The largest of the two parcels of land was over 35 acres and valued at 30 Pounds. The house and offices were valued at 3 Pounds. The second parcel of land was over 3 acres in size and valued at 3 Pounds. The total valuation for Samuel’s property was 36 Pounds. He would have paid a percentage of the value of the property toward the tax.

    An office or offices in a Griffiths Valuation record pertains to outbuildings, such as barns, stables, blacksmith shops piggeries, etc.

    Griffiths Valuation for Tullynacree is attached to this reply. The valuation for Samuel Majury can be found at map references 8 A and 8 B, toward the bottom of the page. The map reference pertains to a Griffiths Valuation Map showing the location of the property in Tullynacree, which can be accessed from the Ask About Ireland website.

    Just below Samuel, at map reference 9, you’ll see that John Cleland also leased property from an Immediate Lessor named William B. Forde. John Cleland’s land was over 18 acres and valued at 12 Pounds and 10 Shillings. His house and offices were valued at 1 Pound and 10 Shillings. The total valuation for John Cleland’s property was 14 Pounds.

    John Cleland was probably related to Sarah Ann Cleland’s father, William Cleland.

    Attached to this reply is the Griffiths Valuation map for Tullynacree. Map reference 8 A, where Samuel Majury’s house, outbuildings, and parcel of land were situated, are in the lower center of the map. It appears there are 6 to 7 structures on this property.

    If you go up and to the left of map reference 8 A, you’ll come to map reference 9. This is where John Cleland’s house and land were located. By enlarging the map, there appears to be 3 or 4 structures located on this property.

    Above and to the left of map reference 9, is map reference 8 B, where Samuel’s second parcel of land was situated. No buildings are on this property at 8 B.

    As you can see on the map, Samuel’s two sections of land were not contiguous. He likely traveled across John Cleland’s property to get to the land at 8 B.

    I next located Samuel Majury’s death record at the irishgenealogy.ie website. He died on 2 August 1899 at the age of 79. His place of death was Tullynacree. At the time of death he was a widower. His occupation had been Farmer. The cause of death was “Old age debility some years. No medical attendant.” The person who was present at the death and who reported the death to the registrar was S. Majury of Tullynacree. The registrar, J. Dickson, recorded the death in the Downpatrick Registration District on 14 August 1899. The death record is attached to this reply.

    To the left of the Registrar J. Dickson’s signature, you’ll see the notation which reads: “Clerical error in column 10 corrected on 20 June 1900 by me Geo Brown, Registrar by authority of Registrar General.”

    The clerical error he is referring to is the month the death was recorded. July is crossed through and replaced by the month of August as the date the death was recorded.

    Samuel’s death record shows he was a widower when he died in 1899, and so I next looked for the death record of his wife, Sarah Ann Majury, and found it.

    Sarah died in Tullynacree at the age of 62 on what appears to be 29 September 1886. She is shown to have been a “Farmer’s Wife.” The cause of death was “Malignant ulcer of Intestines 12 months.” The person who was present at the death was “Samuel Majury, Widower. Tullynacree. Present at death.” The registrar, J. Dickson, recorded Sarah’s death in the Downpatrick Registration District on 12 October 1886. The death record, attached to this reply, is the first one in the register at Number 358.

    For the next search I wanted to see if I could find the marriage record for Sarah Ann Cleland’s father, William Cleland, and then find out if William Cleland was recorded in Griffiths Valuation.

    The one thing I had to go on in looking for more information about William Cleland is that he may have lived in the townland of Creevycarnonan, County Down, as that is where his daughter Sarah was living when she married Samuel Majury in 1846.

    I located six marriages recorded in the Downpatrick, County Down Registration District, one of which may pertain to Sarah Ann Cleland’s father William. None show that William was living in Creevycarnonan, but one does show a William Cleland living in Tullynacree.

    See the information below transcribed from the irishgenealogy.ie marriage indexes:

    In the 29 October 1845 marriage of William Cleland and Ann Malcomson, William was residing in the townland of Magheralone, Parish of Kilmore, and Ann in the townland of Cargycroy, Civil Parish of Drumbo.

    In the 23 January 1850 marriage of William Cleland and Mary McIlroy, William was living in the townland of Kilmore, Parish of Kilmore, and Mary in Killinchy in the Woods, Parish of Killyleagh.

    In the 21 July 1851 marriage of William Cleland and Agnes McKee, William and Agnes were both living in the townland of Crossgar, Parish of Kilmore.

    In the 23 August 1851 marriage of William Cleland and Anne Conn, both William and Anne were living in the townland of Crossgar, Parish of Kilmore.

    In the 16 March 1852 marriage of William Cleland and Eliza Orr, William was living in the townland of Tullinacree (Tyllynacree), Parish of Kilmore, and Eliza in Teconnaught, Parish of Kilmore.

    In the 30 September 1852 marriage of William Cleland and Jane Dunwoody, William was living in the townland of Killinchy in the Woods, Parish of Killyleagh, and Jane in the townland of Carrickmaderow (Carrickmaddyroe), Parish of Killaney.
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    Sarah Ann Cleland’s parents may be William Cleland of “Tullinacree,” and Eliza Orr of Teconnaught, but there is no way to be sure.

    The indexes of the marriages from irishgennealogy.ie is attached, though are not in chronological order by date of marriage.

    I went back to Griffiths Valuation to see if William Cleland had leased property in Creevycarnonan, but did not find that he did. But, several other Clelands are recorded leasing property in Creevycarnonan. These include Robert Cleland, Anne and Jane Cleland, Agnes Cleland, James Cleland, James Cleland Jr., and a James Cleland (Woodside). The agnomen “Woodside” may have to do with James’s property being near a woodlot in Creevycarnonan, or may pertain to a section of Creevycarnonan called “Woodside,” but that is just a supposition.

    According to "There's More To Griffiths Valuation Than Names," by genealogist James R. Reilly, an agnomen in Griffiths Valuation had a specific purpose:

    “Agnomen: A term selected by the valuer to distinguish between two individuals with identical given and surnames who occupy holdings in the same townland; father's given name, hair color, height, occupation, and similar distinguishing terms are used.”
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    Griffiths Valuation for Creevycarnonan is on two pages, which are attached. They are labeled Creevycarnonan 1 and Creevycarnonan 2.

    In the Creevycarnonan 2 attachment, you’ll see that Agnes Cleland acted as the Immediate Lessor for property leased by Marshall Mahinny at map reference 30 A b, and that James Cleland acted as the Immediate Lessor for “Unoccupied” property at map reference 31 b. They were acting as the agents for the owner of the properties, who may have been John S. Crawford.

    I accessed the Griffiths Valuation Map for Creevycarnonan, but found that most of the map of the townland appears to have been overlaid by another map without the number and letter reference points for each occupier, as recorded in Griffiths Valuation. You’ll be able to see the difference between the portion of the Griffiths Valuation Map that is present, and what appears to be the overlay, as the Griffiths Valuation map is of a lighter shade, and has at least one map reference number, 28. Map reference 28 refers to land which had been leased by an Occupier named Arthur Johnston in Creevycarnonan

    See the attached map.

    I went to a website called GeoHive, where I accessed an Ordnance Survey Map of Creevycarnonan from the 1837 to 1842 time period. This map predates Griffiths Valuation of County Down in 1863 by more than 20 years. The map is attached.

    Toward the bottom center of the map you’ll see the label for “Cleland’s,” which I’ve enclosed in a black circle. This may refer to property farmed by the Cleland family. To the left of “Cleland’s,” you’ll see two oblong structures. One may be the Cleland house and the other the outbuilding.

    CHARLES TOD

    In the 1879 birth record for Sarah Ann Majury, her mother is Margaret Robertson Tod.

    In the 1872 marriage record for Andrew Majury and Margaret Brown Tod, Margaret’s father is shown to be Charles Tod.

    Because Margaret Tod Majury died before the 1901 census (the 1901 census gives a person’s place of birth), I didn’t know if she was from Belfast, or like her husband Andrew, from neighboring County Down, or perhaps from Scotland.

    I looked for the Protestant or civil marriage record of any Charles Tod between 1845 and 1855 at irishgenealogy.ie, but didn’t find it.

    I then went to the subscription Ancestry.com website to look for the marriage of Charles Tod in Scotland, and believe I may have found the marriage index, which shows that Charles Tod and Margaret Robertson were married in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland, on 13 November 1842.

    The reason I believe this may be the marriage of the parents of Margaret Tod is that Margaret’s middle name recorded in the 1879 birth record for her daughter Sarah, is Robertson:

    Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910

    Name: Charles Tod
    Gender: Male
    Marriage Date: 13 Nov 1842
    Marriage Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
    Spouse: Margaret Robertson
    FHL Film Number: 1066695
    Reference ID: 2:G4LVK4

    Source: Ancestry.com
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    I also found the church marriage index for Charles Tod and Margaret Robertson, as well as the church baptism indexes for five of their children, including Margaret, at the subscription ScotlandsPeople website. While this is a pay-per-view and credit-purchase website, you can search civil and church record indexes for free after you register with the site. Registration is free: https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

    The marriage index and the birth indexes show that the marriage and the baptisms were all performed in the Church of Scotland, not the Presbyterian Church.

    The marriage for Charles and Margaret took place in Edinburgh on 13 November 1842. The church where they married is not recorded. You would have to purchase the full marriage record from ScotlandsPeople to see what church they were married in. See the index below from ScotlandsPeople:

    Church of Scotland (old parish registers)

    Surname/Forename: TOD CHARLES
    Spouse Name: MARGARET ROBERTSON/FR6242 (FR6242)
    Date: 13/11/1842
    Parish Number: 685/1
    Ref: 670 166
    Parish: Edinburgh

    Source: ScotlandsPeople
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    Below are the five baptism indexes. All the children were baptized in the Leith South, Church of Scotland, now called the South Leith Parish Church:

    Church registers - Church of Scotland (old parish registers)

    Surname/Forename: Tod CHARLOTTE WILSON
    Parent/Other Details: CHARLES TOD/MARGARET ROBERTSON FR5416 (FR5416)
    Gender: F
    Date: 17/11/1844
    Parish Number: 692/2
    Ref: 190 411
    Parish: Leith South

    Source: ScotlandsPeople
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    Church registers - Old Parish Registers Births and baptisms

    Surname/Forename: TOD CHARLES
    Parent/Other Details: CHARLES TOD/MARGARET ROBERTSON FR5441 (FR5441)
    Gender: M
    Date: 07/06/1846
    Parish Number: 692/2
    Ref: 190 461
    Parish: Leith South

    Source: ScotlandsPeople
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    Church registers - Old Parish Registers Births and baptisms

    Surname/Forename: TODD MARGARET BROWN
    Parent/Other Details: CHARLES TODD/MARGARET ROBERTSON FR5814 (FR5814)
    Gender: F
    Date: 13/05/1849
    Parish Number: 692/2
    Ref: 210 190
    Parish: Leith South

    Source: ScotlandsPeople
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    Church registers - Old Parish Registers Births and baptisms

    Surname/Forename: TOD JOHN
    Parent/Other Details: CHARLES TOD/MARGARET ROBERTSON FR5852 CHILD 5 (FR5852)
    Gender: M
    Date: 23/03/1851
    Parish Number: 692/2
    Ref: 210 266
    Parish: Leith South

    Source: ScotlandsPeople
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    Church registers - Old Parish Registers Births and baptisms

    Surname/Forename: TOD SUSAN ROBERTSON
    Parent/Other Details: CHARLES TOD/MARGARET ROBERTSON FR5650 CHILD 6 (FR5650)
    Gender: F
    Date: 13/08/1854
    Parish Number: 692/2
    Ref: 200 346
    Parish: Leith South

    Source: ScotlandsPeople
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    For more information about ScotlandsPeople pay-per-view and credit purchases, see: https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/our-charges

    The church where the five Tod children were baptized was likely the present-day South Leith Parish Church, Leith, Edinburgh. For more information about the church go to the Wikipedia article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Leith_Parish_Church

    For the location of the church see the Wikipedia map at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Leith_Parish_Church#/map/0

    For additional information about the South Leith Parish Church go to the church website at: https://slpc.co.uk/slpc-history/

    BELFAST CITY CEMETERY

    I found quite a few submissions for Majury burials in the Belfast City Cemetery, but hadn’t realized that Andrew was not buried with his two wives and daughter Sarah, but with the Montgomerys.

    Along with Andrew Montgomery I only found two men named Montgomery and a lady named Mary Lancelt Montgomery in the section that you mentioned at Belfast City cemetery. This plot of ground includes graves for Andrew Montgomery, John Montgomery, Lancelot Turtle Montgomery, and Mary Lancelt Montgomery. They are shown to be in “Grave section and number G42” at the Belfast City Council link for the Belfast City Cemetery. If you contact the cemetery you can ask if there is a record of the name of the person who purchased graves at G42.

    I can’t recall uncovering any records of Majurys and Montgomerys being related to one another.

    To see if I could find more information about John Montgomery, Lancelot Turtle Montgomery, and Mary Lancelt Montgomery, I looked for their individual civil registration birth records, based on their year of death and age of death noted in the Belfast City Cemetery records. In accessing the birth records, I found all three Montgomerys buried in Grave section and number G42 were siblings.

    The oldest of the three siblings is John Montgomery, who was born at 27 Lonsdale Street, Belfast, on 1 November 1882. His father is Johnston Montgomery, employed as a chemist. John’s mother is Olinda Montgomery, formerly Johnston. The father, Johnston Montgomery reported the birth to the Assistant Registrar, J.S. Ellison, who recorded the birth in the Belfast No. 3 Registration District on 23 November 1882. The birth record is No. 33 in the attached register.

    Mary Lancetta Montgomery was born in the Crumlin Road, Belfast, on 13 May 1888. Her father is Johnston Montgomery, a “Druggist” residing in 9 Crumlin Road. Mary’s mother is Olinda Matilda Montgomery, formerly Johnson. The person who was present at the birth and who reported the birth to the Registrar, E.P. Bigger, was Eliza Ann O’Neill, of 57 Earl Street. The birth was recorded in the Belfast No. 3 Registration District on 2 June 1888. Eliza Ann O’Neill may have been the midwife who helped to deliver Mary Lancetta.

    Lancelot Turtle Montgomery’s birth took place in 9 Crumlin Road, Belfast, on 3 August 1889. His father is Johnston Montgomery of 9 Crumlin Road. His mother is Olinda Montgomery, formerly Johnson. Mary Ann O’Neill, of 51 Earl Street was once again present at the birth and reported the birth to the Registrar, E.P. Bigger. E.P. Bigger recorded Lancelot’s birth in the Belfast No. 3 Registration District on 17 August 1889. The birth record is Number 267 in the attachment.

    When looking for John Montgomery’s birth record I came across the birth record for Johnston Montgomery. Johnston was born on 25 August 1884. His birthplace was 9 Eglinton Place, Belfast. His father is Johnston Montgomery, a “Chemist” residing in 9 Eglinton Place. The mother is Olinda Matilda Montgomery, formerly Johnson. A lady named Mary Tinsly of 4 Haldane Street, was present at the birth and reported the birth to the Assistant Registrar, Saml S. Mercer, who record the birth in the Belfast No. 3 Registration District on 20 September 1884. The birth record is attached to this reply.

    Mary Tinsly could have been the midwife who helped with the delivery of the baby.

    I next went to the National Archives of Ireland website to look for the four Montgomery children and their parents, and found them. The census shows the family were the “Residents of a house 11 in Antrim Road (Clifton Ward, Belfast, Antrim).” The census further shows there are six children in the household of Johnston and Olinda Montgomery, and that the father Johnston was employed as a “Pharmaceutical Chemist.”

    In addition, the 1901 census shows all the members of the Montgomery family were Presbyterian, and that the six children were born in Belfast. The elder Johnston Montgomery was born in County Antrim, no town recorded. Olinda is shown to have been born in London.

    The 1901 census transcription for the Montgomery family can be found at:
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton_Ward__Be...

    Make sure to click on, “Show all information” to view the full census page.

    A copy of the original 1901 census can be accessed from the National Archives of Ireland link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003972601/

    Going back to the irishgenealogy.ie website I looked for the civil marriage of Johnston Montgomery and Olinda Matilda Johnson, but didn’t find it. I wanted to see if their marriage record had shown a person with the last name of Majury as a witness.

    Knowing that Olinda was born in London, and that marriages traditionally took place in the bride’s home parish, I looked for their marriage index at the FreeBMD website, and found it. The index shows that the marriage of Johnston Montgomery and Olinda Matilda Johnson was recorded in the West Ham (Essex County) Registration District for the September quarter of 1880.

    The person who transcribed the index from the marriage record couldn’t tell if Olinda’s middle name was Matilda or Manida, and so both middle names were incorporated into the index, which follows:

    Marriage September Quarter 1880

    Johnston Montgomery
    Olinda Matilda Johnson
    Olinda Manida Johnson
    Registration District: West Ham
    Volume: 4a
    Page: 75

    Souurce: FreeBMD
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    Concerning the first reply I sent, I provided shortened links to several Google Maps and Street Views as well as other records. These shortened links no longer work. I tested these links before I sent the reply and they worked then, but a day later I found the URL shortener website that I use went down, and is still offline.

    This URL shortener, you’ll see in the links is “is.gd,” and goes by the name of Tiny URL.

    Below are the links from the last reply that are not working as of 23 October 2021

    A Google Map showing that present-day Clifton Street is due north of Stanley Street and the Grosvenor Road Police Station and Brunswick Street, in Belfast, all west of the River Lagan: https://is.gd/gdQAZz

    Google Street View of Clifton Street, see: https://is.gd/qK69nn

    Google Map of Great Victoria Street, Belfast, see: https://is.gd/lE5pGr

    Google Map showing that Castle Lane is a short walk north from Great Victoria Street: https://is.gd/6W5kbo

    Google Street View of Castle Lane, Belfast, go to: https://is.gd/Whlyb4

    The 1901 census transcription for the Majury family: https://is.gd/C9yhu5

    Google Map showing that Castle Lane and Brunswick Street are only a quarter mile from one another: https://is.gd/j9bvs7

    The 1911 census transcription from the National Archives of Ireland: https://is.gd/67XZwW

    The modern ironmonger’s shop, Pickering, North Yorkshire: https://is.gd/yqCO7p
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    If you would like other links to the ones that are not working in the first reply, just let me know and I’ll send them in a follow-up communication.

    Thank you again for writing Karen,

    Dave

    davepat

    Sunday 24th October 2021, 11:01AM

    Attached Files

  • Hi Dave

    Thank you for all this information which I will follow up on. Some I knew, but the information about the Clelands was new. My father had wondered which Cleland was our ancester. The graveyard at Kilmore Presbyterian Church has many Cleland interments, included some of sepulchers type. There is 1 only Majury grave starting with Sarah Ann Cleland. At Rademon Non Subscribing Presbyterian Church there is also 1 only Majury grave starting with Andrew Majury, who died 1880, of Carrickmannion. I do not have any info. which links him to my family, but he may be a cousin of Samuel. The two churches are only about 1 mile apart and Kilmore was founded after a split over doctrine around 1830. I also looked up Tithe Applotment books and found :

    Majury, Andrew Townland: Listooder Year: 1833; Majury, Andrew Townland: Tollynacree Year: 1833; Majury, William Townland: Listooder Year: 1833. I do wonder if Andrew Majury had property at Listooder and Tollynacree/Tullynacree, or were they 2 different Andrew Majury. 

    The information about the Montgomery's was very interesting and I will follow this up also. Thank you also for the confirmation of Margaret Brown Tod from Leith.

    This is going to take me some time to process.

    Thanks again

     

    KarenMajTop

    Thursday 4th November 2021, 10:41PM
  • You''re welcome Karen, and thank you for your reply.

    Dave

    davepat

    Tuesday 9th November 2021, 03:24PM