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I am continuing to search for information my great great grandmother.  I have DNA and records that indicate that she may have been born a McDonnell.  Here is what I believe.

 

Name

Margaret McDonnell

Baptism Age

0

Event Type

Baptism

Birth Date

1813

Baptism Date

16 Mar 1813

Baptism Place

St Finbarr's (South), Cork city, Cork, Ireland

Parish Variants

Christ Church, Christchurch, South, South , Cork, St. Finbarr's South, Cork, St. Finbarr's Sth, Cork, St. John of Jerusalem, St. Nicholas

Diocese

Cork and Ross

Father

Cors McDonnell

Mother

Mary Sullivan

 

Margaret's McDonnell siblings/other children of Cors McDonnell and Mary Sullivan

Bridget, Ellen (born 1808), Mary (born 1810), Anne (born 1815), Cors (born 1821)

all born in Cork, Ireland

 

Census records in the US indicate that Margaret immigrated in about 1844.

 

The 1855 New York Census indicates that the following are living with the Harrington family in Manhattan, New York:

*Ellen (born 1829, Cork, Ireland) and John (born 1832, Cork, Ireland) Bush.  Ellen and John are listed as niece and nephew.  They are the children of Thomas Bush and Ellen McDonnell Bush of Cork, Ireland.  I have a DNA connection to a descendant.

* Mary Ward (born 1810, Ireland).  I believe she was born Mary McDonnell and is indicated as sister. 

All immigrated between 1853 and 1854.

 

I can't find any records or documents that indicate whether Timothy Harrington and Margaret were married in Ireland prior to his immigration in 1843. My great grandfather, John Timothy Harrington, was born in Manhattan, New York in 1847-48.  I can't find records for Margaret's immigration.  All I have to go on is the DNA relationship and the records indicating the relationships of niece, nephew and sister.

 

I don't have any records for Timothy Harrington (born about 1812, Cork) prior to his immigration.  I have been unable to discover anything about his parents.

Do you think my assumptions for Margaret are correct?  I can't find any records that would tie the parents and siblings together.  I did find Margaret and Mary McDonnell as sponsors in the baptisms of Thomas and Ellen McDonnell Bush's children.

Thanks for anything you might provide.

Sincerely,

Rachel Knapik

rachelknapik

Tuesday 5th June 2018, 08:29PM

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  • Rachel:

    Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

    Can you clarify how you know that the 1813 record is your ancestor? The reason I ask is that there is also an 1818 baptismal record for a Margaret McDonnell with parents Cors McDonnell and Mary Sullivan. This means that there were two couples with the same names in the sam parish or the 1813 Margaret died and the couple named a later child Margaret. This was a fairly common custom. I'm using www.irishgenealogy.ie as a source for records for parishes in the Diocese of Cork and Ross. Other parishes in the Diocese of Cloyne in Co. Cork are found on the subscription site Roots Ireland.

    Roger McDonnell

    Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - CORK - SOUTH PARISH

    Baptism of MARGARET MCDONNELL of N/R on 29 December 1818

    NameMARGARET MCDONNELLDate of BirthN/R N/R N/RAddressN/RFatherCORS MCDONNELLMotherMARY SULLIVAN

    Sponsor 1JOHN MURPHYSponsor 2BRIDGET MURLEY

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 8th June 2018, 06:38PM
  • Hello Roger,

    Thanks so much for getting back.  I don't know for sure.  I do know in in several census Margaret's birth year is given as 1815.  In one other it is given as 1803 and another 1810.  I chose this document as it most closly matched the dates I had.  Do you have anything which could point to the Margaret born in 1818?  All the documents I have only name my GG Grandmother as Margaret Harrington, beginning in 1850.

    I do know Ellen McDonnell Bush(e)'s information as I got it from her GGG Granddaughter, whom I match as a 4th cousin.  Her children, Ellen and John Bush, are living with my GG Grandparents in Manhattan, NY in 1855, as is Mary Ward-sister. This seems to fit perfectly and matches the DNA.

    I actually found three (3) Margaret McDonnell born to Cors McDonnell and Mary Sullivan:  1815, 1818 and 1829.  Would you want more information on these?  I know the history of a child named for a child that was diseased.  It is also part of the family history in the US. 

    Since I don't have any solid information about Cors McDonnell and Mary Sullivan, I'm grasping at straws.  I can't find any census with everyone.  I can't find any church records that connect all of these people.  I can't find any marriage records in the US or on irishgenealogy.  I can't find burial records for any of the Margarets.  I can't find what ships they may have immigrated.  The dates of immigration seem consistant:  Timothy in 1843 (I have his documents of citizenship petition) and Margaret in 1843.  They didn't seem to have an Emigrant Bank Account which was very helpful for my O'Neil GG Grandparents. 

    Rachel

    rachelknapik

    Friday 8th June 2018, 11:28PM
  • Rachel:

    I feel your frustration. On www.irishgenealogy.ie when I search in Co. Cork for all McDonnell baptismal records with mother Mary Sullivan, I only get four records: The 1813 and 1818 Margarets, Anne 1815 and Cors 1821.  I would tend to believe the 1818 Margaret is your ancestor. I know 1818 conflicts with the USA records you found.

    Roger

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 10th June 2018, 04:34PM
  • Thanks Roger.  Will need to wait for investigations from the Bushe descendants in Baltimore, Cork, Ireland to see if they find anything else.  They have been visiting old cemeteries in the Islands where the family home once was.

    The 1818 birthday would seem more plausible as my G Grandfather was born in 1848.  Being 30 years old when he was born seems more reasonable.

    Rachel

    rachelknapik

    Sunday 10th June 2018, 09:08PM
  • I have recently discovered new documents for my GG Grandmother.  According to her death certificate she was born Margaret McDonald, 1823 Ireland.  Her parents are given as James McDonald and Margaret.  We belive that her mother may have been Margaret Scanlan/Scanlon.  Margaret McDonald Harrington's sister, Bridget McDonald is buried with Margaret and her husband Timothy Harrington in Calvary Cemetery, Woodside, Queens, New York.  Bridget's death certificate indicates that she is single.  She is living with Tim and Marg at the time of her death.

    I've attached copies of their death certificates.

    Would you be able to help with any documents?  I've found a document that indicates a Margaret Harrington immigrating from Cork, Ireland 1843-1844.  This agrees with the census information that margaret provided over the years.  We have not been able to find any verification that Margaret and Timothy were married before departing Ireland.  Timothy's death certificate indicates that he was born in 1807.  His census and immigration information indicate that he was from Cork.

    I will need to attach the files separately.

    rachelknapik

    Sunday 24th February 2019, 06:17PM

    Attached Files

  • Continuation of documents for Margaret McDonald Harrington and Timothy Harrington.

    rachelknapik

    Sunday 24th February 2019, 06:19PM

    Attached Files

  • Continuation of documents for Margaret McDonald Harrington and Timothy Harrington.

    rachelknapik

    Sunday 24th February 2019, 06:24PM

    Attached Files

  • Hi Rachel!

    Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

    I've had no success in finding a baptismal record for Margaret using the new info you provided. I did find a lead on Bridget. See record below. NOTE the mother is shown as Margaret Murphy. The Carrigline/Templebrigid baptismal records start January 1826 so if this record is for the Bridget in your note then a record for Margaret would not exist. All the best with your research!

    Roger

    Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - CARRIGALINE & TEMPLEBRIGID

    Baptism of BRIDGET MCDONNELL of N/R on 4 February 1826

    NameBRIDGET MCDONNELLDate of BirthN/R N/R N/RAddressN/RFatherJAMES MCDONNELLMotherMARGT MURPHY

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Monday 4th March 2019, 07:58PM
  • Thanks so much Roger.  I'll see where this information takes me.

    Rachel

    rachelknapik

    Tuesday 5th March 2019, 04:42PM