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My mother's maiden name is Murnan and recent family members were in Cahir where the Marnane/Murnane family hails from.  Edward/Edmond Murnan wrote a book about this line but trying to figure out if we are directly connected.       Anita Murnan--Father Warren Murnan-Father Michael Murnan B New York, Father John Murnan B Ireland around 1820.  Murnan family settled in Chicago before moving to Denver and beyond.    Any guidance or help greatly appreciated.  Probably related but wondering how close this is our HOME in Cahir.  Thank you

 

 

 

 

Bryan

Thursday 3rd May 2018, 10:14PM

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  • Hi Bryan,

    This is the only John Murnane (+ surname variants) from Tipperary 1820 + - 10 years from www.rootsireland.ie/:

    Name:John MurnaneDate of Birth:
    Date of Baptism:03-Jul-1820Address:Not RecordedParish/District:NEWPORTGender:MaleCountyCo. Tipperary
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:John MurnaneMother:Elizabeth RyanOccupation:
    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1:Ed Murnane Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2:Bgt Nix 
    Notes:

    M MCCARTY [PRIEST]
    E *** BETTY

    Siblings:

    Name:James MurnaneDate of Birth:
    Date of Baptism:17-May-1818Address:Not RecordedParish/District:NEWPORTGender:MaleCountyCo. Tipperary
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:John MurnaneMother:Elizabeth RyanOccupation:
    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1:George Ryan Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2:Mgt Kelly

    Name:Judith MurnaneDate of Birth:
    Date of Baptism:10-Sep-1823Address:BirdhillParish/District:NEWPORTGender:FemaleCountyCo. Tipperary
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:John MurnaneMother:Elizabeth RyanOccupation:
    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1:Pat Foley Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2:Mary Ryan

    Name:Margaret MurnaneDate of Birth:
    Date of Baptism:29-Apr-1816Address:BirdhillParish/District:NEWPORTGender:FemaleCountyCo. Tipperary
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:John MurnaneMother:Elizabeth Ryan

    Name:Mary MurnaneDate of Birth:

    Date of Baptism:28-Oct-1814Address:Not RecordedParish/District:NEWPORTGender:FemaleCountyCo. Tipperary
    Denomination:Roman Catholic
    Father:John MurnaneMother:Elizabeth RyanOccupation:
    Sponsor 1 /
    Informant 1:Connor Casey Sponsor 2 /
    Informant 2:Bgt Galavay 
    Notes:

    MT MCMAHON [PRIEST]
    E *** BETTY

    It is 61km from Newport to Cahir so it might be a longshot that these are yours - depends on the names you have in the book.

    Unfortunately the Irish Censuses of 1821 & 31 don't have Tipperary records; the Tithe Applotments have 19 Murnanes, 16 Marnanes & no Murnans in Tipp 1826-34 

    http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/

    I couldn't find a marriage record for John & Elizabeth

    Col

    ColCaff, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 4th May 2018, 06:55AM
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    Thank you!  I initially had those same parents for John Murnan as a maybe so if he was born in Tipperary as we think he was this helps get us closer to confirming.  The other family members may help in tracking the right line down.  Another mystery to solve.

     

     

    Bryan

    Friday 4th May 2018, 09:24PM
  • Bryan,

    The parish the Murnanes resided in is the current Catholic parish of Bansha and Kilmoyler. The Parish boundary is less than 2 miles form the Square in Cahir. The townland of Cappauniac would be 3 to 4 miles from the parish boundary, ie. very close to Cahir.The current Parish is made up from three old Civil Parishes including Killardry and Clonbullogue. The name of Killardry is a corruption of Cill Ard Ri (the Church of the High King ), as the Kings of Munster resided across the near river crossing until Cashel was established as the Royal residence. In the graveyard where the photo you sent of the Murnane headstone was take,  the most prominent grave located there is for William Frances Butler who ic credited with establishing the 'Mounties Police force in Canada he was also a very able poet and I have attached two poems relating to Killaldriffe and I hope you will enjoy same.

    The early Church records for the parish are not on line in a searchable form ,however,if you search the Parish Register for this Parish available at the National Library site you can view the Catholic Births and Marriage from 1822. The records are laid out with a nice structuref fotmat with the  Father's surname listed first,  then the Child's name and both parents names in full. In the case of marriage records the groom's  surname is listed first  and the fullname for Groom and Bride. You will find Murnane births in the early years and every few years and similarly for the Marriage records. I think they are possibly the most user friendly set in all of Ireland.

    I was going to send you a copy of a few record s but I think you will enjoy finding your records with such ease..

    Regards

    Thomas Hussey (native of Cahir)

     

    Thomas J Hussey

    Friday 17th May 2019, 09:09PM

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