I THINK MY GR/GRANDMOTHER MARY CRONIN MAY HAVE BEEN BORN IN THE PARISH OF INCHIGEELAGH ON THE 25TH OF MARCH 1843,
TO PARENTS CORN CRONIN AND NORRY KELEHER. SHE MARRIED PATRICK SCANNELL c1840 AT St,PATRICK,S CATHEDRAL CHURCH,
SKIBBEREEN ON THE 13TH OF FEBRUARY 1859 THEY THEN LEFT IRELAND TO SETTLE IN DOWLAIS,MERTHYR TYDFIL ,WALES UK WHERE
THEIR FIRST CHILD TIMOTHY SCANNELL WAS BORN IN 1860. I HAVE TRIED FOR MANY YEARS TO LOCATE BIRTH PLACE OF MY GR/GRANDMOTHER
MARY. IF ANYONE READING THIS CAN HELP I WOULD BE DEEPLY GRATEFUL.
I HAVE ADDED THE MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE BELOW,NOTE THE WITNESSES WERE TIMOTHY BURKE AND JOANNA CRONIN.
MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER MARY NAMED HER FIRST BORN TIMOTHY SCANNELL IN 1860 AND I WONDER IF HE WAS NAMED AFTER TIMOTHY BURKE.
oscannell
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Greetings from Ireland Reaching Out . . Message Board . . .
I hope the followings . . . will be helpful in tracing your Mary . . . to a close proximity . . to her place of birth . . .
There is a list . . known as " Tithes Allotment " ..from . . 1823 - 1837 . . listing residents for tax purposes . . ( see Cronin 3) below . . .
The first Cornelius Cronin . . . would be a close fit to the region of land-holding
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Next there is a list of land holders . . known as " Griffiths Valuations " . . dated 1847 - 1864 . . .
again . . two names . . of interest . . appear for that district . . see Cronin 4 & 5 . . below . .
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Map of area . . . within the red lines . . . . Ordenance Survey . . . (Cronin 8)
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Cronin search . . . Original Church recordings of Birth . . . and see Cronin 2. . . copy of Church recording. . .
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Cronin 6 . . . the actual Marriage recording . . . from Skibereen Church . . . .
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I hope this is of help to you . . . Cheers . . . Eamonn M. Horan
Eamonn M. Horan, Volunteer Ireland Reaching Out ☘️
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EAMONN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SUCH A COMPREHENSIVE MESSAGE ON THE SUBJECT OF MY GR/GRANDMOTHER
MARY CRONIN. I,M SURE IT WILL HELP IN MY SEARCH FOR HER AND HOPEFULLY SOME RELATIVES.
BEST WISHES
GRAHAM SON OF CATHERINE SCANNELL c1905
oscannell
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Hello,
You might be interested in a facebook site called: Cork Genealogical Society / IGP County Cork. I just joined because my 2nd great grandmother is a Mary Keleher (b1823) from Cork. She emigrated to Ontario, Canada at some point before she was married in 1843. Through this group I have already found DNA matches to several people who have a Keleher/Kelleher connection. My DNA matches were all to those with ancestors in Glantane, Macroom, Clondrohid. Inchigeelah is in this same area, too. Do you have a Gedmatch #?
AnnaK09
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Hi AnnaKO9 Thank you for your message. I will take a look ay the facebook connection. Unfortunately I do not have a Gedmatch and am not quite certain what it means
I,m 84 yrs and still in the learning phase at this game.
Many thank,s Graham
oscannell
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Dear Graham,
So sorry to be late on this post. Very busy May!
Have you taken a DNA test? The major companies who do this are: Ancestry.com, 23 and Me, and FtDNA. I am sure that I have missed a few others). After you receive your results, you can then download your Gedcom (DNA) to GEDMatch. It is a free service that helps you find even more relatives because it matches you with people who have uploaded their data from all of the DNA testing companies.
Thanks to the release of vital records and documents that are now on the internet we can find out so much more about our ancestors. The DNA tests are really vital and if you are able to take one it might help to connect to relatives who could eventually lead you to your Mary. My dad and mom ( both 88) did their DNA through 23 and Me. Thanks to them, I have been able to break a few brickwalls in our ancestry!
As I mentioned in my first post, after joining the Facebook group: Cork Genealogical Society / IGP County Cork, I found DNA cousins (Kelleher's I presume!). I would urge you to join and post your request to them. There are many knowledgeable members who may be able to help you find your Great Grandmother Mary. If you have difficulty with this facebook page I will ask the moderator if I can repost your request ( with your permission).
I found informtion (below) on familysearch.org which you may have already seen it. It looks like Mary Cronin was born in February and baptized in March. I imagine that Corn. was short for Cornelius.
From Family Search: Name Mary Cronin Gender Female Christening Date 25 Mar 1843 Christening Place ROMAN CATHOLIC,INCHIGEELAGH PARISH,CORK,IRELANDFather's Name Corn. Cronin Mother's Name Norry Keleher
Best regards,
Shauna
AnnaK09
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Dear Shauna, Thank you for all the information. No I have,nt taken a DNA TEST and i,m not sure how to proceed.
I am aware of the familysearch record with regard to Corn or Cornelius Cronin and what makes that interesting is that
my grandfather John Scannell applied to the Dublin PRO in early 1900s for a birth certificate for him.However Dublin
replied that because he was born prior to the keeping of records in 1864 they were unable to help.
Best wishes Graham.
oscannell
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Hello Graham,
Do you have family or a friend who could help you take a DNA test? It is usually ordered online
and delivered through the mail. It's a saliva test, so there is a lot of spitting involved :) I highly recommend if
you can do it. I can provide links to the most used Genetic testing companies if you'd like to check into it.
I am a member of a small group who all share a Keleher/Kelleher ancestor and also share a fairly small amount of DNA.
I will ask if any of these members have any knowledge of the Keleher's/Cronin's/Scannell's in their family trees.
I wonder if you could request your Great Grandparent's marriage record from the registry at St Patrick's Cathedral in Skibbereen, for
13th, February 1859. This may provide more information with their parents' names. I will also see if I can find anything online.
Best regards,
Shauna
AnnaK09
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Hello Shauna,
I will look into the matter of a DNA test and let you know. As regards my gr/grandparents Marriage details I already have a copy
from St,Patricks Cathedral Church,Skibbereeen,however there are no parent details only the witnesses Johanna Cronin and Timothy Burke.
The church could find no record of their birth or christening..
Best regards
Graham.
oscannell
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Hello Graham,
So sorry to be out of touch. Life is pretty busy for me! Were you able to take a DNA test?
Is Norrie short for Honoria? Just wondered.
I have't developed any new leads on my Mary Kelleher/Keleher and need to brush up on our
correspondence. I didn't want you to think that I had forgotten ( well, just a little! :)
Hope you are well, Shauna
AnnaK09