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Hi, my name is Hayley. I'm looking into my family tree and I'm at a standstill now. I've found a record dating 1911 for my ancestors, they lived in where I believe a place called Rock in drumcondra. It's a long shot but I'm hoping that I'll find something on here. The ancestors I'm looking for Christopher McGuinness born in 1851, his wife Margaret (can't find her maiden name anywhere) was born 1856, they had two sons Christopher born 1890 & Michael born 1892. I've looked on ancestry and every other place known to man, but no records are coming up before or after the census 1911 with regards to the people in this family. If anyone has any info on these people, I would be grateful, thanks. Hayley






Thursday 2nd July 2020, 08:14PM

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  • Just to clarify the location - is this your Christopher & Margaret on the 1911 census ?

    The household is resident in a townland named ‘Rock’ in Santry civil parish County Dublin - Drumcondra is the Electoral District. There’s a seperate location, a civil parish,  named Drumcondra or Drumcondrath in County Meath.

    The McGuiness household at Rock townland consists of Christopher a general labourer age 60, his wife Margaret age 55, two sons Christopher jnr. age 21 and Michael age 19, ‘Grand Niece' Julia age 15 and a boarder named Christopher Farell. All in the household are Roman Catholic and born County Dublin, the census form was filled by Chistopher.

    Chistopher and Margaret report that they are married 26 years (c1885) and had four children, two of which are still alive.

    I located a possible birth for Chirstopher (jnr) with parents Christoper McGuinness and a Margaret Taffe which I’m checking into… their residence is Corballis, which the name of a townland very close to Rock townland - both of these are close to where Dublin Airport (formerly Collinstown) is located now… I’ll check further into this line and update here tomorrow..

    shanew147, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Thursday 2nd July 2020, 09:21PM
  • Hi, thanks for replying. Christopher Jnr is my grandad's dad. Thankyou for your help, did anything come up for Michael, do you know? As far as I'm aware he stayed in Ireland, whereas Christopher migrated to Liverpool before he was KIA in WW1 (1915) I don't know much about Michael, my grandad told my auntie before he passed away that his family was from Kilkenny but I don't know if that was true or not. McGuinness is quite the popular name in Ireland. Thankyou again, Hayley 


    Friday 3rd July 2020, 07:51AM
  • These are the two civil births I located for the sons shown on the 1911 census - both births show residence and place of birth as townland of Corballis, both are registered by their mother Margaret using her ‘mark’, and shown in the register as variants of McGuiness.

    Christopher Maginnis born 1st June 1889 (entry 137 on the page - see the image link on the entry)
    Michael Mcgennis born 15th February 1892 (entry 286 on the page)

    I also located a transcript of the Catholic Parish record for Christopher Magennis and Margaret Taffe on RootsIreland - the marriage took place in Catholic Parish of Swords, County Dublin on the 25th January 1885, the town of Swords is about 5km north of Corballis and Rock townlands. Christopher’s residence is given as ‘The Boot’ and Margaret’s as Collinstown, their father are named as Andrew (McGuinness) and Michael (Taffe) - there were four witnesses to the marriage : Nannie Magennis, Juia Taffe, Patrick Cooke and Anna McCormack. I also found the corresponding civil marriage.. Christopher Maguinness & Margaret Taaffe 25th January 1885some additional information is included in this it appears that Christopher is a widower, so not his first marriage both are 'full age' so age 21 or over, the groom's occupation is shown as labourer, his father is a farmer, Margaret's father is a labourer. The registrar has included some sort of note from the priest regarding refusal of the husband to hand over payment..

    I’ve included a link to the entry for the townland of Rock below - if you zoom in on the map you can see the adjacent townlands of Corballis to the south-east and Collinstown to the south-west.

    Placename Database - Rock Townland, Santry Civil parish, Couty Dublin

    Tracing forward from 1911 can be difficult as people didn't always stay in the same area and privacy rules restrict records - i.e. civil births cut-off 100 years ago, marriages 75 and deaths 50. Most ordinary people left very few official records, but if  Michael stayed and married in the same area, he should appear in the civil marriage records on IrishGenealogy - the registration district for this part of County Dublin is Balrothery, its a case of checking the individual marriages for clues to see if they match this family - e.g. father's name & occupation, residence of the groom. The deaths online cover up to 1969, so there may be a record for him online - these can be more difficult to confirm, as death certs dont include very much detail other than date place and cause of death, and name of the person who registered it - the informant.

    The surname McGuinness has a number of variants as you seen, and in the 19th century was common across much of Ireland, most concentrated in north Leinster and South Ulster, but with clusters in other areas the midlands, Antrim/Derry, Sligo/Mayo etc, and present to some degree in many counties with the exception of counties Cork & Waterford. The surname Taaffe is less common and concentrated in counties Meath and Louth, with smaller numbers in Westmeath and other counties across Ireland.

    I have not as yet been able to locate your McGuinness/Taaffe household on the 1901 census, will update here if I locate any further details..

    shanew147, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 3rd July 2020, 10:33AM
  • Another update for you - I’ve located a likely match for the first marriage of 'your' Christopher McGuinness/Magennis,  it took place on the 3rd June 1878 at the Catholic Chapel in Swords, i.e. the same parish as his marriage to Margaret Taaffe, his father is shown as Andrew Magannis occupation farmer, which also matches his second marriage The marriage entry is available on IrishGenealogy - see this link.. (last marriage on the register page) The Bride seems to use an alias, she's shown as "Mary Ann Mulligan (Alica Byrne)" a widow, her father is shown as Michael Byrne a labourer. Residences for both the bride and groom is given as Forest - there are several townlands to the south west of the town of Swords with Forrest as part of the name - Forrest Great, Forrest LIttle & Forrestfields.

    I also located a probable death for this Mary Ann McGuinness (nee Byrne) on the 28th May 1881, place of death 'The Forest', reported age 33 cause of death, pulmonary phisthisis (T.B.) , wife of a labourer, informant is husband Christopher Macguinness. It looks like the couple had at least one child - Andrew born April 1879.

    shanew147, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 3rd July 2020, 04:23PM
  • Thankyou so much for replying Shane, I apologise for answering back late. The email that notified me of your reply was sent to the Junk mail. Thankyou for all your help, I really appreciate it. Best, Hayley



    Monday 6th July 2020, 05:57PM