Hello there:
I am looking for information on my 3rd GG Moses Hanlon, who with his wife Isabella (nee Scott) and some of their children, arrived in 1857
Name:Moses Hanlin
Age:42
Birth Year:abt 1815
Arrival year:1857
Arrival Place:St. John, New Brunswick
Primary Immigrant:Hanlin, Moses
Source Publication Code:5704.8
Annotation:
Date of departure and intended destination.
Place of origin and name of ship are also provided.
Source Bibliography:MITCHELL, BRIAN. Irish Passenger Lists, 1847-1871. Lists of passengers sailing from Londonderry to America on ships of the J. & J. Cooke line and the McCorkell line. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1992. 333p.
Source Citation
Place: St. John, New Brunswick; Year: 1857; Page Number: 135
Source Information
Ancestry.com. U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc, 2010.
Original data: Filby, P. William, ed. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI, USA: Gale Research, 2012.
Description
Updated annually, this database is an index to passengers who arrived in United States and Canadian ports from the 1500s through the 1900s. It contains listings of approximately 4,838,000 individuals and references thousands of different records compiled from everything from original passenger lists to personal diaries. For each individual listed, you may find the following information: name, age, year, etc.
He did not join the Donegal Hanlons in Pennsylvania, but brought his family to Alma, New Brunswick, Canada. His daughter, Annie, born February 27, 1847 in Templecrone, is my 2nd GG. My question is - who is his father? I can find a Patrick Hanlon, a James Hanlon in the area that could be his father. Do you have any suggestions on how I go back on this line? My sister and I went to Donegal Town last year, and were very moved to be back in the general area where they migrated from.
Thanks for any suggestions...
Jo-Ann Leake in Toronto
Jo-Ann Leake
Wednesday 2nd Oct 2019, 05:18PMMessage Board Replies
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Jo-Ann:
Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!
The church records for the RC parish and the Church of Ireland parish for Templecrone parish both start much later than you need to track your ancestors. (I was not sure of the religious denomination).
I did look at the Tithe listings from 1828 and there were 21 Hanlon records in the parish but there is no way to make a connection to Moses. Do you possibly know the townland where they resided which would allow you to narrow down the possibilities.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Roger McDonnell
Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
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Hi Roger:
Thanks for the rapid response!
Dungloe, or Dunglow, repeatedly shows up in the references to our family in New Brunswick. In looking at the listings, I would favour
"A. C. Hanlon" over all of the others, as this entry specifically refers to Dungloe. We have thought "James" but this ancestor is part of the
Pennsylvania group. Next question: who might "A. C." be?? Why New Brunswick when most went to the USA?
In terms of religion...they are often identified as Methodist in New Brunswick, or Church of England. Recently, some documents suggest
there may have been a Roman Catholic connection owing to whom some of the kin folk married. Do you have some idea as to the
religious "flexibility"? There are similar elements in my other Irish families,
I presume that we are in some related to many of the Donegal Hanlons.
The other interesting note is that this family arrived in 1857 intact during the Famine. My sister and I toured the famine related exhibits while
in Ireland, and this felt remarkable under the circumstances. Even at this time, it pierces the heart in learning of such a time of loss.
Regards,
Jo-Ann Leake
Toronto
Jo-Ann Leake
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Jo-Ann:
I thought possibly they were Church of Ireland only because the surname Scott tends to be non-RC as well as Moses not being a given name you don't see very often on RC records. Mixed marriages in Ireland were not a usual occurence in the 19th century.
Roger
Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
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Hi Jo-Ann,
Do you know anything of your Scott side? My cousins & I have many DNA matches to Brunswick, Canada, we live in Australia, and the connection appears to be from Scott's and Longs from County Donegal.
Regards
Jennifer Winter
jenwin19
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Hello Jennifer!
So pleased to hear from you. Hope you are enjoing spring!
We know very little about our 3GG Isabella Scott. I may have solved the issue of 3GG Moses Hanlon's father,
looks like he may be A. C. Hanlon based upon information sent to me. Moses and Isabella emigrated to Alma,
Albert County, New Brunswick in the 1850s. His birthplace is surmised as Dungloe, Templecrone, Donegal,
Ireland. I have yet to determine Grandma's birth place - still looking thorugh the records. So, we have family
named Scott AND Long. In respect to religious faith, the Hanlons appeared to be Methodist once they were in
Alma. I've been told that mixed marriages were rare in the early yo mid 1800s, so were the Scotts Methodist also?
Long is a new name. Do you have a Scott name in particular on your direct line?
Warm regards from Toronto,
Jo-Ann Leake
Jo-Ann Leake
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For help with Methodist records you might try johngreham.com. There weren’t a lot of Methodists in the Dungloe area as far as I know but there were a variety of Methodist missions during this time period. Hanlon is usually a RC name but the Moses suggests that there was a renaming , perhaps upon joining the Methodist church. Isabella Scott is also unusual for an RC name in this parish.Could there have been a love match ? Maybe they were ostracized because of the mixed marriage which led to the emigration
McBee
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It's worth pointing out that in the 18th and 19th Centuries, the name Moses Hanlon was a very common one in Ireland and in the Irish diaspora. This leads to a lot of confusion and conflation of different figures, especially since there are examples of different founding Moses Hanlons for families in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Iowa, New Brunswick, and New South Wales, Australia. That said, there's a cluster of "Moses Hanlons" associated with Templecrone Parish, Donegal, which is the southern part of an area now known as "The Rosses" and centered on the town of Dungloe. There are many people to this day there with the name of Hanlon, who are found in both the Catholic Church and Church of Ireland (Anglican) population there, though the name Hanlon and, in particular, Moses Hanlon is associated with the Church of Ireland. This would be an example of the minority of Church of Ireland members who would be of native Gaelic rather than British settler origin and would have been likely part of the middle class during the Protestant Ascendency in Ireland.
Hope this helps,
Peter