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Seeking information about the Teehan Family who lived at 23 James Green Kilkenny. Last known relative living there was Tess McGowan niece of my father Edward John Teehan. I seek details of my 5 uncles  - Michael, William, Patrick, Peter, Richard and my aunt Mary - my father's siblings. I also seek information about my grandparents, Michael and Mary and my grandmother's maiden name - she came from County Mayo. I have no middle names for anyone except my father. Any assistance will be very much appreciated as Ancestry.com has not been of much use. Many thanks,

Pat Borgardt

Teehan

Thursday 6th August 2020, 04:41AM

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  • Hi Teehan, 
    A few hints on the years would help.
    Your fathers year of birth and month will help and was he the eldest or the youngest.

    Depends on the years as to where to look.
    House numbers in census returns, they are numbered, but not on most of the doors, it just I dentified the house.
    There wasn't any Teehan in James Green in 1901.
    In 1911 a John Kennedy lived at number 23.
    Cheers
    Margot

     

     

    Margot

    Thursday 6th August 2020, 09:34AM
  • Hi Pat,

    Please see your earlier post. This is a sad story in relation to Michael's wife - Ellen - and their 4 children.

    Regards,

    McCoy

    Thursday 6th August 2020, 10:56AM
  • Hi Margot,

    My father was born on the 19th of August 1906. He was the 5th of 7 children born to Michael and Mary Teehan(nee Gibbons).

    The Irish census of 1911 shows the whole family - parents and 7 children lived in James Green. I visited there in 1965 when my aunt Tess McGowan was there at 23 James Green with her 2 children. She said the family lived there since early 1900's, as did my Uncle Peter who was born the year after my father. Before her mother Mary's death, Tess lived with her at number 23. My uncle Bill (William) moved back to number 23 when he returned from the US. After Tess died, I don't know who is living in the house.

    I have found discrepancies in other records as to my father's date of birth including the Immigration records of our family coming to Australia.

    Thanks for trying to help, I appreciate it.

    Kind regards,

    Pat

    Teehan

    Thursday 15th October 2020, 08:05AM
  • Hi there,

    Birth year for your Father was 1905, see the link
    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_return...
    This next link shows the brother-in-law to the head, the ladies mained name.  Hoyne.....Oh... he is paralised, sorry just saw this.
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002595513/

    This site........ you should be able to get Births up to 1919, Deaths from 1864 some late years and Marriages up to 1944.

    Then use
    www.familysearch.org

    In Ancestry I see....(you should be able to get the actual doc. of the ship record)
    Edward J Teehan on a ship to Australia 6th December 1960....ship = Southern Cross. Ticket number 3596
    I will watch any updates that come in to this post, ok.
    Margot

    Margot

    Thursday 15th October 2020, 01:06PM
  • Thanks Margot.

    My Father's family were living in Kilkenny at the time of his birth and where he was born. His parents were not living at  Black Hill as listed on the birth information in the above civil records link. I have found several records for an Edward Teehan with a father named Michael but these were not my family. 

    At the time of the 1911 Census, my Father was 5 years of age. Had he been born in 1905, he would have been 6.

    He died in 1961, aged 55 - 2 months prior to his 56th birthday.  

    We emigrated to Australia on the TSS Cameronia - her last voyage, in 1951. I was 5 years old at that time and my Father was 45. I have found many discrepancies in relation to my family, including Emigration records, particularly in relation to birth dates and family members.

    On a marriage certificate from England where my parents were married, the name Teehan is also spelt Tee- Han with the same marriage dates and details. How this happened is anyone's guess.

    James Hoyne was indeed paralysed - he was my Grandfather's brother in law. I do not know how many siblings my Grandfather had so possibly James Hoyne  was married to a sister of Grandfathers. 

    Thanks for your help - it's good to be able to access links that hopefully will lead to unravelling the mysteries of my family.

    Kind Regards,

    Pat

     

     

    Teehan

    Sunday 18th October 2020, 06:40AM
  • Hi, ok I just saw the ship record.

    Last address was in Romford.
    I will go through you names and see if I can get the info for you.
    May take a bit of time.
    Cheers for now.

     

    Margot

    Sunday 18th October 2020, 03:56PM
  •  

    Hi Pat,

    Regarding your  Posts,  Michael Teehan's first wife was "Ellen Hoyne".  There is a record in the parish of Tullaroan, Co. Kilkenny for a baptism of a Michael Teehan.

    Father recorded as "James and mother as "Bridget  Maher. There are a number of siblings from 1849 onwards.

    There is a marriage record for a "James Teehan" and "Bridget Maher" for 1848.  Address: Gurtnagap, Co. Kilkenny.

    I will try and put some detail into this over the next week.

    The marriage record for Michael Teehan and Ellen Hoyne in 1890 records Ellen's father as "Martin" and a carpenter by occupation.

    Regards,

    McCoy

    Sunday 18th October 2020, 09:12PM
  • Hi Pat,

    To clarify previous post, Michael Teehan married Ellen Hoyne in Kilkenny on August 18th 1890. His address is recorded as "Flood Street". Ellen is recorded as "James Green". Michael's father is recorded as a Farmer. His address is not shown. 

    Attached record from Tithe Records of 1833 shows a number of "Teehan's" in Gurtnap. Official record "Gortnagap which is approx. 5 miles West of Kilkenny City.

    Regards,

     

    McCoy

    Sunday 18th October 2020, 09:49PM

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  • Hi Pat,

    In relation to the family members of Michael Teehan and Mary Gibbons, I found the following:

    Michael John - Birth August 26th 1900 - Baptism August 29th 1900. Sponsors: Michael Ryan and Ann Doyle

    William - Birth December 11th 1901 - Registered January 15th 1902. Sponsors: John Moore and Mrs Lennon

    Patrick -  Birth September 12th 1903. Baptism September 13th 1903. Sponsors: William Hogan and Josephine Moore

    Above are recorded as "Blackmill Street"

    Peter - Birth February 9th 1907. Baptism February 10th 1907. Sponsors: James Teehan and Elizabeth Ryan. He is recorded for New Park

    Richard - Birth July 23rd 1908. Baptism: July 26th 1908. Sponsors: Michael Costigan and Margaret McGrath

    Above recorded as "James Green". Note on baptismal Register: Married 28-6-1936 to K. Roache, St. Patrick's, Drumcondra (Dublin)

    I will make a further check for those that are omitted.

    Regards,

    McCoy

     

     

    McCoy

    Monday 19th October 2020, 01:09PM

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  • Hi Pat,

    Mary Teehan - Birth July 24th 1899: Baptism July 26th 1899 - St,. Canices - Sponsors: Edward Walsh and Bridget Walsh. Note; Married in this Church 9-2-1920.

    Regards,

    McCoy

    McCoy

    Monday 19th October 2020, 02:26PM

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  • Hello Margot

    What a wonderful source of information you are. Is your surname McCoy? I initially received a post with that name but no Christian name.

    We lived in Romford, Essex prior to emigrating to Australia.

    Some of the birth dates you provided for my Father's siblings, differ from those I got from other sources. I can understand why my Father has "2 birth years". I find hand written notes online can be difficult to read, particularly when the documents have faded.

    I really appreciate the efforts you are putting into helping me find my family and past. I am looking forward to getting back to Ireland when this virus is under control and visiting some of the places my family came from. I don't know where you live but perhaps we could meet so I can thank you in person.

    Kind Regards,

    Pat

    Teehan

    Monday 19th October 2020, 09:07PM
  • Hi Pat,

    Thanks for your comments. My name is not "McCoy". I use it for the Posts I write!

    In relation to the first marriage of Michael Teehan to Ellen Hoyne, the following are details of the children born: Address: Black Mill Street

    James - Birth January 18th 1891. Baptism: January 19th 1891. Sponsors: Patrick Kavanagh and Mary Whyte - St. Canice's R.C Church

    John & Bridget - Twins - Baptism: March 3rd 1893 - Sponsors: Robert Martin and Bridget Ryan - Simon Costello and Kate Whyte (John died at 1 month and Bridget at 5 months - Civil Record)

    William & Mary - Twins - Baptism: June 10th 1894 - Sponsors: William White and Mary Barry -  John Dowling and Elizabeth Dunphy (William died at 14 days and Mary at 15 days - Civil Record)

    Ellen died November 4th 1894, aged 30 years. Her death was notified by her husband Michael Teehan

    I did not find any record for "James", other than his baptism. He is not recorded in the 1911 census for the address of his father. In the parish record he is recorded as "Tehan".

    Note: You should apply to the Civil Registration Office, Kilkenny for birth dates of your father's siblings. They cost 4 Euro each and they accept credit cards. 

    Regards,

    McCoy

     

     

     

    McCoy

    Tuesday 20th October 2020, 10:22AM
  • Hi Pat,

    Marriage detail of James Teehan and Bridget Maher who are likely to be the parents of Michael Teehan - October 4th 1848 - Tullaroan RC Church

    John - Baptism: August 15th 1849 - Sponsors: Edmund Teahan and Catherine Maher

    William - Baptism: Ap[ril 18th 1851 - Sponsors: Michael Maher and Margaret Maher

    Catherine -  Baptism: February 16th 1853 - Sponsors: Patrick Maher and Mary Maher

    Mary -  Baptism: April 7th 1858 - Sponsors: John Walsh and Ellen Maher

    James - Baptism: July 2nd 1859 - Sponsors: Patrick Maher and Margaret Teahan

    Michael - Baptism: April 4th 1862 - Sponsors: John Teahan and Ann Maher

    Above surnames are spelled "Teehan and Teahan"

    I live in County Clare and I do not have any personal knowledge of your family.

    The details I have provided are from sources that I have signed up to.

    I hope to forward to you some detail on Mary Gibbons Teehan later.

    Regards,

    McCoy

     

    McCoy

    Tuesday 20th October 2020, 12:16PM

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  • Hi Pat,

    Correction:

    Marriage date for James Teehan and Bridget Maher should read November 5th 1848 - Not as shown.

    Regards,

    McCoy

    McCoy

    Tuesday 20th October 2020, 12:22PM
  • Hi, It's Margot I havn't posted anything since October the 15th.

    I saw eveyone else posting so I just kept watching.
    Cheers

    Margot

    Tuesday 20th October 2020, 03:04PM
  • I read this..............

    To clarify previous post, Michael Teehan married Ellen Hoyne in Kilkenny on August 18th 1890. His address is recorded as "Flood Street". Ellen is recorded as "James Green". Michael's father is recorded as a Farmer. His address is not shown. 

    These records do not show the parents address. the records also stated that James the father was deceased.

    Number 44   3rd entry

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_ret...

     

    Margot

    Tuesday 20th October 2020, 03:33PM
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    Hi Pat,

    Regarding Mary Gibbons

    Possible identity: Parents: Patrick Gibbons and Mary Dolan, Curdarragh (Cordarragh), Aughagower, Westport, Co. Mayo who were married in Westport by the Rev. P. Moore on August 4th 1864 at the request of the then parish priest of Aughagower. Witnesses: Festy John Scahill and Catherine Burke.

    A Mary Gibbons was baptised in this parish on September 24th 1865. Parents shown as "Patrick Gibbons and Mary Gibbons Curdarragh.

    Sponsors: Richard Gibbons and Mary Judge

    No further found for this couple in Cordarragh

    In the townland of Ballygolman in the same parish, there are baptismal records for the following whose parents are shown as Patrick Gibbons and Mary Dolan:

    Honor, 1867, Patrick 1868, William 1869, Bridget 1871, Peter 1872, Michael 1874, Sarah 1877.  Credts: www.routesireland.ie

    Please see 1901 census record for 1901 - Patrick Gibbons, House 7, Ballygolman (Knappa DED)

    Attached is a copy of the civil marriage register for Michael Teehan and Mary Gibbons. Note different spellings. 

    Regards,

    McCoy

    PS I am having difficulty with the document. Will try again!

    McCoy

    Thursday 22nd October 2020, 02:42PM
  • Hi Pat,

    Records: 

    McCoy

    McCoy

    Thursday 22nd October 2020, 02:56PM

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  • Hi Pat,

    Regarding your aunt - Mary Teehan - it appears that she married a Patrick Hogan of Thomas Street, Kilkenny on February 9th 1920.

    You will need to apply for the official record to get detailed information in relation to Patrick.

    Attachment: www.findmypast.ie

    Regards,

    McCoy

     

     

     

     

    McCoy

    Saturday 24th October 2020, 09:38AM

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