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Hi,

I am trying to trace back my 2x great-grandmother's family from Co Down. Her name was Mary Mulholland born circa 1820s in Co Down and/or Belfast. She came to the USA around 1850 and settled in Chicago. She married Mathew McCarthy who had two siblings (Martin and Catherine) who were also married to a Mulholland (Margaret and Arthur, respectively), and who I think were likely Mary's siblings or cousins(?). All 3 McCarthy-Mulholland couples married in the US and settled in Chicago, although Arthur and Catherine initially lived in Troy, NY. All 3 mulhollands were around the same age, Mary would be the oldest followed by Margaret then Arthur. While living in Troy, Arthur Mulholland lived next door to a Michael Mulholland who was born around 1818.

I would love to find baptism records for Mary and her potential siblings mentioned above. As well as find out who her parents were. Can anyone help? 

And can someone confirm if the Irish naming rule (first son named after father's father, first daughter named after father's mother, etc.) was used in Northern Ireland in the early 1800s?

Here are other relevant facts: 

They were Roman Catholic.

I think this is a different Belfast Mulholland family than the one in the textile/weaving industry.

Based on DNA relative family trees, I'm led to believe Mary's mother's surname may have been Fearon/Fearns/Firan or similar. Not 100% confident though.

Other place names based on DNA relative trees are: Magheralin, Dromore, Co Armagh, Armagh diocese, Down & Connor, Seagoe, Lurgan, Ballymore & Mullabrack (Armagh), Newry, Dunsford parish, Tullumgrange Lower.

Thanks in advance!

Marissa

Marissa B

Wednesday 26th Jan 2022, 05:50PM

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  • Marissa B,

    Yes the Irish naming pattern was used in Northern Ireland in the early 1800s. (it was widespread across Scotland as well as Ireland). Not every family followed that tradition though, and there are other reasons why you cannot rely too heavily on it.  If a child died and their name was later re-used for a subsequent child (as was very common), then the apparent order of the childrens names may not reflect the naming tradition. And of course if 2 parents or grandparents have the same forename that can create problems too. Do you really want to name 2 children with the same forename?  First wife dies, father re-marries and has more children by his second wife. That throws a spanner in the works too. There are many things that make it unsafe to rely on other than as a general hint.

    Mulholland is a very common surname in Co. Down. In the 1901 census there were 467 in the county, of whom 55 were all named Mary. So the name Mary Mulholland would have been equally common in the 1820s. (More common actually as the population had shrunk dramatically by 1901 due to famine and emigration). So you have to know the parents names to have any real chance of locating the right family. Normally that information is in marriage and death certificates. Perhaps also naturalisation papers. Have you exhausted those, not only for Mary but Margaret, Arthur & Michael?

    The other thing to know is that not all Irish parishes have RC baptism records for the 1820s. They have either been lost or were just never kept. This will not be an easy search.

    You mention a family who were “in the textile/weaving industry.” Practically every labouring family in Ulster did a bit of weaving in the early 1800s. The whole population was engaged in it.  It was home weaving (using portable looms) and provided top up income when there was no work required on farms, notably during the winter months. However throughout the 1800s, water powered mills were gradually introduced which made home weaving uneconomic. By 1850, Belfast had 50 such mills.  Increased mechanisation on farms also reduced the need for farm labourers. All these changes were factors in a family’s decision to emigrate.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 26th Jan 2022, 08:39PM
  • Marissa,

    I found the following baptisms, which may or may not be related to your family.  They took place in the Church of Ireland, but the family may still have been Catholic.  Or maybe they were COI and changed to RC later on.

     

    Margaret Mulholland    

     Baptism:             17-Feb-1819

    Lived in Taughrane          

    Church of Ireland Parish Magheralin

    Co. Down

    Father:  Robert Mulholland          

    Mother:               Mary

     

    Mary Mulholland           

     Baptism:             21-Oct-1821

    Lived in Taughrane          

    COI Parish: Magheralin   Co. Down

    Father:  Robert Mulholland          

    Mother:               Mary

    Patricia

    Wednesday 26th Jan 2022, 08:46PM
  • Thank you both very much! @Elwyn, sorry for the poor explanation, I had intended to mean that I do not think my descendents were weavers, I was hoping that might differentiate them. Unfortunately, I think I have exhausted searching for marriage, death, and naturalization records. I will do another thorough search through these records in case I missed something. Such informative and useful information you gave me, I greatly appreciate it.

    Marissa B

    Thursday 27th Jan 2022, 05:27PM

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