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Seeking information on the following relatives:

Patrick J Murphy - 135 North Circular Road, Dublin, Anne Powell Murphy 68 Northumberlan Road, Dublin who were married on 26 July 1920.  Parrick is thought to be a merchant at that time.

Any information on these individuals and their families would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

Cashel

Friday 3rd Dec 2021, 06:07PM

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  • I'm not having much luck with your query so far - I can see the marriage at St. Mary's Haddington road with the residences you mentioned, a check of directories around this time do not show either Murphy or Powells at either of these, so likely sort term or rental. Based on Patrick snr's occupation of farmer it would seem that this Murphy family would have lived outside the city somewhere, the problem of course is that there are a great many farmers with the surname Murphy all over Ireland, so establishing the right link could be difficult..

    The bride's surname is a lot less common, a search for Edward or equivalent Edmond on the 1911 census only shows 12 results, two of these children and the other just 12 - none a Merchant. It's possible of course that this Edward changed his trade between 1911 and 1920...  there are a number of Powell listed in Thom's Dublin 1921 directory, but no Edwards, maybe this Edward was employed by someone else or lived outside Dublin ?

    One of the witnesses to the marriage is a Beatrice Powell, so may be related to the bride, a sister, cousin.. ?

    Do you have any other details from family information that might help - e.g. siblings, possible places of birth for John or Anne, approximate year of birth, e.g. from death notice, headstone etc ?

    Shane Wilson, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 5th Dec 2021, 01:19PM
  • I'm going to note this birth for reference as a probable connection to that Powell family  :

    birth of Beatrice Powell 26th November 1900
      Rathkeale, Co. Limerick, father Edward Keogh Powell, mother Mary Keogh
      father's occupation : shopkeeper, so could be described as a merchant.

    I see births of other possible children to this couple, but no Anne/Annie so far..

    There's a very promising match for this family on the 1901 census at Main Street Rathkeale, with Beatrice and an older sister named Annie age 3 so born c1898.

     

     

    Shane Wilson, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 5th Dec 2021, 05:48PM
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    Thanks for the assistance provided in my enquiry. Most helpful. I have attached a copy of a birth certificate that may be of some use and seems to indicate a direct link to the subject.

    The attached birth certificate was provided to me as a possible link to the inquiry.

    Cashel

    Sunday 5th Dec 2021, 06:13PM
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    Thank you for your assistance.  I have attached a death certificate for a Beartrice Murphy.  I wonder if Beatrice is one of the children of the marriage of Patrick Murphy and Anne Powell.

    Thanks again for all your asistance.

    Cashel

    Monday 6th Dec 2021, 07:55PM
  • That 1923 birth certainly looks right as a child of the couple you mentioned, Patrick Murphy and Anne Powell - probably her  middle name after Anne's sister..

    The date & reported age on the death cert could fit with her also - Beatrice was not a common firstname maybe she later used her middle name instead of Patricia, I doubt there were very many other Beatrice Murphys.

    The residence on the death cert appears to be 30 Whitebarn Road, Rathfarham, which is off Nutgrove Avenue, Thom's 1980 lists this as a Henry Sailsbury, maybe she was renting a room or flat from this Henry..

    Birth records are only available online up to 1920, so it's not possible to search for further possible children of John and Anne. Looking at the details for Patricia Beatrice, her place of birth 40 Upr. Fitzwilliam Street is listed in Thom's 1921 as "The Misses Foody, nursing home", her father Patrick Joseph Murphy residence, and likely the family home, appears to be Crosfield, Palmerstown

     

    previous topic on this family at this link

     

     

     

    Shane Wilson, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 7th Dec 2021, 03:33PM
  • Found a possible connection in Thom's 1925 Directory, under the listing for Palmerstown there's an A.M. Murphy listed at 'Crossfield, Fonthill', earlier listings , e.g. 1921 show an J.H. Harrison at the same house.
    The same listing for A.H. Murphy appears in at least one additional later directory i.e. 1927, but disappears by 1932 when an A.J. Beatty is listed at Crossfield and 1935 a Major O'Dwyer.

    Shane Wilson, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 7th Dec 2021, 03:59PM

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