Hi,
I am wondering if anyone is able to tell me the place name listed on the marriage for Peter Mathews and Mary Clusky on the 4th January 1837 in the Haggardstown Parish record reference found in the parish records here https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632578#page/119/mode/1up . The marriage is the first listed on page 119.
Thanking you kindly,
Leanne
LDH
Sunday 29th Aug 2021, 09:26AMMessage Board Replies
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Co. Louth volunteer contacted
Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
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Hello Leanne, I am afraid I am not going to be a great help to you, I cannot make out what it should be or how it is spelled, I checked on Ancestry and Roots Ireland and Ancestry does not even try, Roots Ireland gives Curranashesk and I cannot find it on the usual sites with that spelling, also a Google search does not bring back anything, usually when this occurs it comes up on Google as it is in use locally.
I had what I thought was a brain storm and located a baptism for a Mary Closkey but Roots had the same transcription but looking at the entry on the Registers NLI site it is a 3 word entry and I think in Gaelic or as we say Irish language, it is still no great help and the final word appears to end in "K" which is not it the Gaelic alphabet. that does not preclude it from beinng used as often a mix of spellings are used.
You can see this entry for 1815, 17th March. There are a total of 7 Mary Closkey in Louth for 1800 to 1820 with about 3 given as Hagardstown and the one mentioned, the others are not nearby.
I never tried it myself but have been told that if you print it off at a decent size and put tracing paper over it (light see through paper) and use a pencil to overwrite it you can get a feel to the letters as you do it.
You can see the civil townlands here but I do not see one jumping out at me. https://www.townlands.ie/
There is a site here with old maps if you want to peruse it to see if you can see something like it, https://geohive.ie/ I looked at the 1837 map and can see nothing to suit either also https://osi.ie/
You could take a snip of the entries and ask the Louth Library or Louth Archives https://www.louthcoco.ie/en/services/library/reference-local-history-li…;
Sorry I cannot be of more assistance Leanne, there is a Louth Genealogy page on Facebook but a lot of members are not local but might be worth a try as it must be on other entries too.
Pat
St Peters Louth, IrelandXO Volunteer
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Leanne I had received an email from Roger about you query and he suggests this townland and he may be correct as on the map I see an nearby place called Carran somthing and that appears to be the first word in the 1815 entry. It is also in the right area as it is Haggardstown https://www.townlands.ie/louth/upper-dundalk/ballybarrack/haggardstown/…;
I am not familiar with the name Ballybarrack but it is Haggardstown, looks like the motorway (freeway) cuts in in two now.
Pat
St Peters Louth, IrelandXO Volunteer
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Possibly the townland is
- Carrans Park (see Tates and Carrans Park, Dunbin Civil Parish, Barony of Upper Dundalk, Co. Louth)
Patricia
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I think the townland name may be Carrickastuck, in the civil parish of Philipstown in County Louth, which is located within the Catholic parish of Haggardstown. Civil parishes are administrative districts separate from the church parishes. The very next entry in the register may refer to Philipstown, and on the facing page, the second to last entry clearly mentions Philipstown. There is also a townland of the same name (Philipstown) in that civil parish, and Carrickastuck borders it to the west. In Irish, Carrickastuck is Carraig an Stoca, and what is written in the register may be an attempt (perhaps by a non-Irish speaker) to represent the sounds of that name, perhaps as something like Carraghastuck.
The Catholic parish of Haggardstown starts at the sea south of Dundalk, then curves to the northwest and runs almost to the border with County Armagh (in Northern Ireland). It is not uncommon for a church parish to include several civil parishes (or parts of them), The civil parish of Philipstown appears from the available maps to be contained wholly within the Catholic parish of Haggardstown, at the northerly end of the Catholic parish. Just to make things interesting, Haggardstown is also the name of a different civil parish, a townland within that civil parish, and a local electoral district, all of which are located at the southerly end of the Catholic parish (which derives its name from them), but none of them border Philipstown civil parish..
You can see more info about Carrickastuck at this link:
https://www.townlands.ie/louth/upper-dundalk/philipstown/barronstown/ca….
kevin45sfl
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Wow, thanks everyone for your responses. I certainly have many more places to search now and these suggestions may help me to find more records of birth or baptisms. Thank you so much for your help.
LDH