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Hello there in Kildorrery. I posted a query a few years ago (2016, I think?) but with little feedback from anyone in the parish. Perhaps in the interim things have changed so I am trying again. A brief recap:

My maternal great-grandfather, John Noonan, came to Scotland around 1860. He settled in Dundee where he married a Catherine Logan at St Mary's Church on the 31st December 1869.

He was born in Springvale in Kildorrery early in 1842 and was baptised in Kildorrery on the 11th February that year. His father was a James Noonan and his mother was a Johanna Duane. Most of the other children in their family were born in the townland of Quitrent Mount and baptised in Kildorrery.

On my great-grandfather's death certificate here in Scotland it stated that his father was a Land Steward. I have located a James Noonan in Griffith's Valuation who had a house, land and offices in Quitrent. There is also a James Noonan with another parcel of land in the same townland. Those years in Quitrent coincide with many of my great-grandfather's siblings having been born there. It would appear that this James Noonan is my great-great grandfather. Is it possible to narrow where the land was exactly? Is it possible to superimpose old maps with modern maps in Ireland to see what is there today? And lastly, are any Noonans living there today?

I know of a nephew of my great grandfather John Noonan (son of his brother Patrick), a Michael Noonan who came to Scotland in the 1890s, married and had a child but who seems to have left Scotland once more. Back to Kildorrery?

Many questions I know but before visiting Kildorrery I would like some information which could be termed more certain.

Hoping there is someone there who can help in this quest.

Thanking you in advance

Michael A. Nolan

I am a 66 year old Scot who has Irish antecedents on both my father's side of my family and my mother's side of my family. The Nolans came from Longford, County Longford and the Noonans from Kildorrery, County Cork.

Wednesday 6th November 2019, 05:03PM

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  • Hi Miriam

    Thank you for taking the time to answer my query.

     

    Yes, I have the details of the marriage of John Noonan and Johanna Duane. I have the transcription also. I also have details of their children's baptisms. Their son Patrick married a Bridget Ryan and their son Michael (b. 1861) turns up in Scotland. He marries a Mary Dobbin (née Doonan) in Cleland, Lanarkshire in 1893. The have a child Bridget (b. 1898) and live in Cambuslang, Lanarkshire with Mary's children from her first marriage. They all appear in the Scotland Census (1901) living in Cambuslang. Michael is a coal miner. Michael Noonan, I have since discovered, turns up in a Valuation Roll at the same address in 1905. Of his family there is no mention. Nor is there a mention of them or Michael after that date in any records. As you say, they seem to have moved elsewhere though I can't find any mention on any passenger / immigration list. That is why I thought that perhaps they had returned to Ireland. Then again, perhaps they moved to England?

     

    Thanks so much for the information concerning the slider tool on the Griffith's Valuation Maps. The reason I asked was that the National Library of Scotland in Edinburgh offers the same facility online with Scotland's maps. I look forward to investigating this further when I have more time. I would so like to have a definite line of enquiry before visiting County Cork.

     

    Thanking you once again Miriam

     

    Michael A. Nolan

    I am a 66 year old Scot who has Irish antecedents on both my father's side of my family and my mother's side of my family. The Nolans came from Longford, County Longford and the Noonans from Kildorrery, County Cork.

    Monday 11th November 2019, 04:44PM
  • I also have a Nolan of Longford (Ballymahon) connection.  My Nolan married a Yorke, any connections?

    reets

    Thursday 19th March 2020, 08:00PM
  • Hi reets

    Much of my line of Nolans in Longford is speculative but of my great-great grandfather's family I have marriage and baptismal certificates of which I can be pretty certain. This direct line is a William Nolan who married a Mary Carr on 6th October 1844 in the Parish of Templemichael / Ballymacormick (Longford Town). I believe the Chapel stood where there is presently a Family Centre behind The Cathedral. According to Griffith's Valuation, William may have come from the Townland of Caldragh whilst Mary's father, John, had holdings in the Townland of Aghareagh. What is certain is that they brought into the world a family of at least nine children between the years 1848 - 1863. Among these children was my great-grandfather James, baptised in either the same little Chapel that I mentioned, or the, as yet incomplete, Cathedral of Saint Mel, on the 6th October 1852. The name Yorke has not surfaced in any of the certificates that I have but then I have not investigated any of my great-grandfather's siblings, apart from Gerard - both of whom settled here in Wishaw, Scotland around the 1870s.

     

     

     

    I am a 66 year old Scot who has Irish antecedents on both my father's side of my family and my mother's side of my family. The Nolans came from Longford, County Longford and the Noonans from Kildorrery, County Cork.

    Friday 20th March 2020, 12:20AM
  • My Margaret Nolan married Francis Yorke 1835 parish of Ardagh and Moydow

    reets

    Friday 20th March 2020, 05:06PM
  •  

    My great-great grandfather's 'first' born was Maragret (as on her Baptismal Record), or Margaret Nolan. She was baptised sometime in 1848. Irish naming conventions followed a pattern and the same names appeared in families from generation to generation. What I am saying is that your Margaret may have been my William's sister. Does The Marriage Record indicate the names of Margaret's parents? Were any witnesses named? Was it a Catholic Marriage? Was the officiating Priest named?

     

     

    I am a 66 year old Scot who has Irish antecedents on both my father's side of my family and my mother's side of my family. The Nolans came from Longford, County Longford and the Noonans from Kildorrery, County Cork.

    Saturday 21st March 2020, 01:22AM
  • So it was a catholic marriage 26 Feb 1835, witnesses: Bryan Yorke & John Nolan. No parents recorded. The family lived in Carrrickedmond, Margaret was born abt 1809 and died Ballymahon, Longford 1883.

    reets

    Saturday 21st March 2020, 05:05PM
  • Sorry Reets, not even the witnesses are the same. At my William's marriage the officiating Priest was Father O'Donohue, and the witnesses were Nicholas Skelly and Mary Duffey. Likewise no parents were mentioned. I checked Griffith's Valuation (maybe you have done so) a Thomas Nolan and a John Yorke had holdings in the Parish of Ardagh. Griffith's was a little latter than your marriage of Margaret and Francis but possible family members. Another, Thomas Yorke had a holding in the Parish of Shrule in the Townland of Ballymahon. 

    I am a 66 year old Scot who has Irish antecedents on both my father's side of my family and my mother's side of my family. The Nolans came from Longford, County Longford and the Noonans from Kildorrery, County Cork.

    Saturday 21st March 2020, 07:16PM
  • My maiden name is Donna Marie Noonan from the line of (Noonan, Richard- Barbara Poisson) -(Noonan, Ernest -Rose Florence) (Noonan, William and Eliza Joanna Caldbeck) (Noonan, Patrick- Rosa McCauley) and I tend to believe now also to (Noonan, Patrick & Bridget Ryan).I am certain through Noonan-McCauley with docmentation. It makes sense since that Patrick Noonand & Bridget Ryan would be my great, great grandafther, Patrick Noonan-McCauley parents as they immigrated to Ste Agathe, Quebec, Canada where they are all interred.  If correct (Noonan, Patrick-Ryan, Bridget H) had (1) Patrick Noonan (1828-1904) wed to Rosa Gillen McCauley* (my third great grandparents) ; (2) James Noonan (1805-1891);  (3) John Noonan (1835) wed to Margaret Crozier; (4) Margaret Noonan (1837-1898); (5) Catherine Noonan (1839-1909) wed to John Ryan -7 children; (6) David Noonan (1844-1844) and Bridget Noonan ( 1845-1927)- the majority all interred in Ste Agathe Catholic Church Cemetery in Ste Agathe, Quebec, Canada.  From William Noonan -Eliza Caldbeck they ended up in Concord, New Hampshire.  I have eight siblings and an extensive family in New Hampshire.  It has been a challenged trying to get further info for my Noonan family.  

     

    Thursday 11th June 2020, 04:30PM