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Hi,  I found a 3 Jul 1832 Roman Catholic marriage record for a John Cronin and a Mary Kiley in IrishGenealogy.ie and the parish listed is:

Parish/Church/Congregation - KILMURRY, MOVIDDY, KILBONANE & CANNAVEE.                

 

Can anyone tell me what this means in terms of geography?  Is this all of Kilmurry Parish?  Or is it a list of the civil parishes of Kilmurry, Moviddy and Kilnonane?  I think I found these listed as civil parishes on a John Grenham site.  These seem to be very close and in and around the towns of Kilmurry and Crookstown per the map on this site.

 

Thank you                        
 

 

 

 

 

 

rfcronin

Sunday 8th Dec 2019, 05:10PM

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  • R. F. Cronin:

    Yes, there were a number of civil parishes served by the RC parish of Kilmurry. Kilmurry, Kilbonane, Moviddy and Cannaway all fed into Kilmurry RC.

    Kilmurry RC parish is in the Diocese of Cork and Ross. Below is a link to the present day Kilmurry parish and a further link showing all the churches in the parish.

    Roger McDonnell

    http://www.kilmurry.ie/ 

    http://www.kilmurry.ie/churches/churches_photos_1.htm

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 8th Dec 2019, 05:32PM
  • Just to add a bit more info to what Roger has already given you, here's a lnk to a page discussing the civil parish of Kilmurry, the boundaries of which are not exactly the same as those of the Catholic parish, although the two are largely congruent.  It has links within it to further pages discussing each of the 22 townlands located in the civil parish.  When you search the Catholic parish records, the baptismal entries (and sometimes the marriage entries) will often indicate in which townland the family lived, and this link can help you find out just where that townland is, at least if it lies within the boundaries of both the civil and church parishes (which I believe most of them do).  I have a Cronin great-grandmother myself, by the way, from Dromtarriffe parish, which is several parishes to the north of Kilmurry.

    https://www.townlands.ie/cork/kilmurry/

    kevin45sfl

    Sunday 8th Dec 2019, 10:57PM
  • Thank you Rodger and Kevin for explaining the characteristics of Kilmurry's Civil and RC parishes.  
     

    There was some indication on this July 1832 marriage record of John Cronin and Mary Kiley where their residence was, but it is difficult to read.  That is why I wanted to make sure I was in the right parish.  The residence looks to me to be Béal Na Blath.  However I am having trouble figuring out what township Béal Na Blath is recorded under for civil vital records, the Griffith Valiation and the National Censuses.  In the below link it indicates that Bea Na Blath was known as Glownerougha, but again I cannot find any records for a township Glownerougha.  http://www.kilmurry.ie/history/history/history_placenames.htm  

    My best guess based on calculating the actual geographic location of Béal Na Blath to the Griffith Valuation maps is that Béal Na Blath was in or near the townships of Glannarouge East, Glannarouge West Currabeha or Poularick.  Do either of you know if Glannaroughe East or West (similarly spelled) was also known locally as Glownerougha?  Thank you again

     

     

     

    rfcronin

    Monday 9th Dec 2019, 07:31PM
  • Bealnablath (in Irish, Béal na Bláth, although there are alternate versions of it) is in the townland of Glannarouge East (in Irish, Ghleann na Ruaige Thoir) in Kilmurry parish.  You can see it at the northern edge of the townland in the map at this link:

    https://www.townlands.ie/cork/west-muskerry/kilmurry/warrenscourt/glann…

    You can also see it in Google Maps at this link:

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Glannarouge+East,+Bealnablath,+Co.+Co…

    The hamlet is a small crossroads which is quite famous in Ireland, since it is where Michael Collins was killed during the Civil War.  You can read more about it in Wikipedia at this link:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9al_na_Bl%C3%A1th

     

     

    kevin45sfl

    Monday 9th Dec 2019, 08:04PM
  • Great.  Thanks for sharing your expertise.

    rfcronin

    Tuesday 10th Dec 2019, 07:49PM

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