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I saw Ellen Kelly born 1871. Castleotway, Templederry. see attachment.
These are the Templederry Parish records. They are from 1840.
Templederry, Killaloe - Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI
In the Tithe records the Parish is this ...............
GENUKI: Kilnaneave, Tipperary
There is a list for the area and there is a Michael Kelly an Andy Kelly and two entries for William Kelly.
This list is for Tax or/and rents paid. This is in 1823.
The place name you have as Menagha. where have you seen this? Can you upload the page please.
I saw a page in the Tithe records and it's a torn off page with menagha........ it's part of a word, I cannot find the actual word.
this is the page.
The list of townlands in the area managh is not part of any place.
We will find it...
Attached FilesEllen Kelly 1871 2203658.pdf (240.19 KB)
sorry I forgot.....
Hi, this is Michaels death.
Wow, thanks! I hadn't thought to look at Toomevara for Michael Kelly's death, but i also don't think i would have been able to get a death certificate so easily. Much appreciated!
I've attached Patrick's marriage record (married Eliza Stapleton on 19 Feb 1855. This document says he's from Menagha and she from Borris(oleigh), where her family moved to from where they lived at Killoskehan until about 1848, when she was about 16 (they were evicted from their farm and the house and buildings torn down by the sheriff's soldiers, their furniture and selves being put out on the road before. The Stapletons moved to Borrisoleigh and started a business as grocers (all from the letter recorded by Patrick's eldest daughter.
Witnesses were James Stapleton (could be her uncle) and Bridget Stapleton, her younger sister.
I've also attached Patrick's death certificate - on that it says he was from Thurles and married at Thurles, but as you can see the register is Borrisoleigh. This is also where it says WInifred's maiden name is Ryan (son Tobias was informant), but his eldest daughter Mary recorded a letter with Kennedy as her grandmother's maiden name.
SO it looks like WInifred (Michael's wife) died after him? Can you find her death?
I have Hugh's death in about June 1913, if that is correct, but not confirmed. I have baptism records for Hugh's children.
I'm not sure if you can see my ancestry tree (it is public) - "Jonasson-Goding" - this is the link to Hugh's page: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/6685929/person/1671003…
Attached FilesMichael Kelly birth 5th February 1864 Father Hugh and Mother margaret Ryan Castleotway 2338695.pdf (188.01 KB)Winifred Kelly death 3rd May 1881 Gurteenavilla, Toomervara Michael Kelly present at the death 4850104.pdf (194.76 KB)
Hi Karina, thanks for the two files.
I have seen your tree and you do have a lot of information.
Michael Kelly's birth record is attached Hugh is his Father.
Winifred Kelly's death.
Michael Kelly and Julia Ryan's marriage.
1901 Census Hugh Kelly and family note the grandchild Katie Conway.
1911 census Michael Kelly and family with his Father Hugh.
this is where to find information CIVIL records. The Church records are for Dublin, Carlow, Kerry and Cork.
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Hope this helps
Between The Tithe records and Griffiths Valuation records, townland names changed, land was sold off when people left Ireland or handed on to family relatives.
If you look at Griffiths Valuation all the red outlines and numbers are the 1850's all the black overwritten lines and number are 1820's.
You will be able to see how the townlands differ.