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Researching John Alley, brewer & Mayor of Dublin 1817-18, and Dr George Underwood Alley

My 3rd great grandfather, Dr George Underwood Alley, was born in Dublin in 1804 and migrated to Australia in 1838.  I have been researching his parents, John Alley and Jane Ann Underwood who married in Dublin in July 1804.

At least two John Alley's appear in the Dublin genealogical records in the early 1800s.  One was a gunmaker in Fownes Street from 1804 to 1807.  The other John Alley was a brewer in Townsend Street, and he also became a Sheriff of Dublin, and later the Mayor of Dublin in 1817-18, and an Alderman.

I am almost certain that the first John Alley, the gunmaker, is my ancestor.  However, to be sure, I need to check the name and maiden surname of the wife of the John Alley who was the brewer and the Mayor of Dublin.  I have seen a reference in the Freeman's Journal of 22 February 1825 to the widow of the John Alley who as the Mayor of Dublin and another record indicating that he died in 1823.  Would anyone, or Mansion House Archives, have any record of the name and maiden surname of the wife of the John Alley who was the Mayor of Dublin?

Regarding my 3rd great grandfather, Dr George Underwood Alley, I have deduced his birth year as 1804 as his death certificate records that he was 75 years old when he died in 1879.  He studied at Trinity Collwge and at the midwifery college of the Anglesey Lying-in Hospital around the 1820s-30s.  If anyone has any ideas where I might find a birth record for him, I'd appreciate your advice.

Regards

Bill Crawshaw

Partridge

Tuesday 28th July 2020, 12:21PM

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  • The Alumni Dublinenses, register of provosts, professors, graduates and students for Trinity College Dublin, shows several separate George Alley entries as follows :

    Alley, George, Pen. (Mr. McKenna), 12th August 1785 aged 17; s, (son) of Peter, Generousus; born Wicklow, B.A. Vern. 1790
    Alley, George, Pen. (Mr. Staunton) 11th November 1795, aged 15, son of William, Mercator; born Dublin
    Alley, George, Pen, (Mr. Newland) 4th June 1821, aged 16, son of John, Mercator, b. Dublin
    Alley, George, Pen. (P.T.), 20th October 1828, aged 17, s. of George, defunctus, b. Queen's county.

    The name in brackets is the tutor, the date is when the person was admitted to the college. The entries dont differentiate between city/town and County, i.e. Dublin City vs County Dublin..

    Various documents such as editions of the Alumni Dublineses are usually available on the Trinity College website, but most seem to be unavailable at present as there's an update in progress. FindMyPast have an indexed version of the 1924 edition of the document.

    I'm not certain what if any family details of the various Mayors might have been recorded or what may be available, I suspect most of the details relate to city council business.

    To search for a baptism for your George jnr. would require Church records, so depends on which parish he was born in - I'm assuming your Alley family were Church of Ireland ?
    Most of the surviving Church of Ireland records for Dublin city are available on the free IrishGenealogy website, which also has some parishes in County Dublin. Church of Ireland records for other parishes in County Dublin and other counties are not very well covered online at the moment - RootsIreland (pay-website) is often the best option, but check they have the parish(es) you require.  Unfortunately early entries in the registers are not very detailed, so it's unlikely that an occupation would be included in church of Ireland records before the 1830s, address/residence would would not always be included in early registers..

    A search of the Dublin city Church records on IrishGenealogy shows a number of Alley entries going back to the 1700s, and one from the 1670s, all Church of Ireland.
    Townsend street would be St. Mark's parish, Fownes street St. Andrew's, and Dawson Street (location of Mansion House) St. Anne's parish.

    The Representative Church Body Library is working on a project to transcribe Church of Ireland registers as part of the Anglican Records Project - they already cover some parts of County Dublin, worth keeping an eye out for further additions..

    Added : I located a directory entry in Pettigrew & Oulton 1834 that might be of interest - Under the listing for Philipsburgh Avenue in the section for Clontarf there's an entry for a George Alley, esq., surgeon, at Eden Park , I dont see an entry for him in the 1840 edition.

    Found a few more details that might help ... there's an entry on the Index to Dublin & Glendalough Diocese Marriage Licence Bonds for a Jane Ann Underwood and John Alley with the year 1804. The original records for these bonds do not survive, and unfortunately there's no mention of the parish - so a large area to check - Dublin city, County Dublin, Co. Wicklow etc. Luckily a summary of the marriage is included in Sir William Betham's Genealogical Abstracts, which he created before these original records were lost - the details he noted for the Marriage are as follows :

    John Alley of Bishop Street Dublin,
    gunmaker & Jane ann Underwood of
    the parish of St. Bridget's Dublin
       28th Feby 1804

    shanew147

    Tuesday 28th July 2020, 01:08PM
  • Thank you Shane for your very quick and detailed reply.  I am most grateful.  You information confirms that John Alley, gunmaker, who married Jane Ann Underwood in February 1804 are my 4th great grandparents.  These are the names of the parents of Dr George Underwood Alley on his 1879 death certificate.  I guess it unlikely that this John Alley was also the Mayor in 1817-18.  I notice that the John Alley gunmaker was only a gumnaker from 1805 to 1807.  Then a John Alley became a Sheriff of Dublin in 1808, Mayor in 1817 and later an alderman before dying in 1823.  Knowing the maiden surname of the Mayor's wife would either confirm they are the same John Alley or different John Alleys.

    Thank you also for the additional information about Dr George Underwood Alley.  The Trinity College under tutor Newland in 1821 is probaly him, as he was born in 1804.  Trinity Colege confirmed a while ago that he didn't actually complete his medical degree there and he went on to the college at the Anglesey Lying-in hospital.  But I didn't know about the reference to him being a surgeon at Eden Park in the 1834 directory.  He would not have been in the 1840 edition as he mirgrated to Australia in 1838 as the ship's surgeon.

    I'll follow up those other suggestions

    Regards

    Bill Crawshaw

    Partridge

    Wednesday 29th July 2020, 03:01AM
  • Dear Shane

    With reference to your reply on 28 July 2020, I wonder if you could help me interpret the George Alley, Surgeon, address in the Pettigrew & Oulton directory of 1834.  It indicates that George Alley was one of 5 residents at 29 Philipsburgh Avenue.  I have looked at the streetview of this address on Google Earth and it looks to be a late 19th century renovation of the same building as there are 5 houses in it. As the Philipsburgh Avenue address comes up on Google Earth as in the suburb of Drumcondra, I don't understand the Eden Park tag against George Alley's listing.  Sorry to be a pedant, but would you have an idea what the Eden Park means in his adress means.

    Regards

    Bill Crawshaw

    Partridge

    Saturday 1st August 2020, 11:14PM
  • Eden Park is the name of the house, you can see other entries on the same avenue that also include house names - Annadale, Union lodge, Bushfield House etc, these would be the larger houses or estates..   See extract from a later map (c1880) of the same avenue with some of the same houses named.

    In the 1834 directory listing the five houses between number 29 and 35, had not yet been assigned numbers, but a suitable gap was allowed - so in effect Eden Park was at number 30.

    Eden Park, at least under that name, does not appear to have lasted very long, there’s no sign of Eden Park in later listings, if the structure still existed it could just have had a number. In some maps from slightly later c1840 there’s a building named ‘Eldon Park’ at about the correct location.. Maybe the house name was changed after your George left ?

    shanew147

    Tuesday 4th August 2020, 12:24PM

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  • Dear Shane

    Thanks you for clarifying thet Eden Park was the name of George Alley's house at No 30.  And thanks also for the 1880 map.  

    Regards

    Bill Crawshaw

    Partridge

    Wednesday 5th August 2020, 02:12AM
  • Dear Shane

    I'm now trying to confirm who were the parents of John Alley, the gunmaker, who married Jane Ann Underwood in February 1804 (Sir William Benthsm's Genealogical Abstracts, your message of 28 July 2020 above).

    The Alley Family Tree on Family Search website and a number of family trees on Ancestry show this John Alley's parents to have been Peter Alley (b. abt 1740) and Elizabeth Day (b. abt 1744) but there is no accompanying documentation to support this.

    There is, however, documentation that a Peter Alley from Co Kilkenny and an Elizabeth Day of Dublin were married in 1765 (again from Sir William Bentham's Genealogical Abstracts - copy enclosed) but I have been unable to find anything which confirms that this John Alley was one of their son.  It seems there were a number of Peter Alleys in Co Kilkenny around this time, one also a gunsmith who died in 1779, another who diedin 1767 which may or may not be this John Alley's father or grandfather.

    I'd appreciate it if you were able to shed any light on a connection between this John Alley and the Peter Alley/Elizabeth Day union.

    Kind regards

    Bill Crawshaw

    Partridge

    Saturday 15th August 2020, 12:57AM

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