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I have been researching my ancestors and have become stuck at Robert Gillespie of annagh,Killylea,1846-1929 I found his death record in tynan church of Ireland along with two sons but no baptism of them there his other sons were burried in killlea church of Ireland.
He was married to a possible Elizabeth foster of Maghery, Keady.
Would anyone have any suggestions of where to go to look To find out more information?
Thanks
Jonathan Gillespie

Jonathan Gillespie

Thursday 20th Jan 2022, 08:47AM

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  • Jonathan,

    This appears to be your family in 1901:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Glenaul/Annagh/…

    And this is the birth of their son Walter which confirms Robert’s wife was Elizabeth Foster:

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02186/1827035.pdf

    Robert’s marriage in Keady 1st Presbyterian (which suggests Elizabeth was Presbyterian when she married):

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10931/5993881.pdf

    Robert’s probate file from the PRONI wills site. The will itself should be in PRONI.

    Gillespie Robert of Annagh county Armagh farmer died 4 February 1929 Probate Belfast 30 July to John McWilliams and Thomas Marshall farmers. Effects £368 10s.

    Also his brother Henry:

    Letters of Administration (with the Will annexed) of the personal estate of Henry Gillespie late of Armagh County Armagh Farmer deceased who died 31 May 1877 at same place were granted at Armagh to Robert Gillespie of Annagh (Killylea) aforesaid Farmer a Brother and one of the Next-of-Kin and the sole Legatee.

    Gillespie junior Robert of Annagh county Armagh farmer died 1 December 1926 at The County Infirmary Armagh Administration Belfast 8 June to Robert Gillespie farmer. Effects £5.

    Gillespie Isabella of Annagh Killylea county Armagh widow died 4 June 1949 at saint Luke's Hospital Armagh Administration Belfast 17 September to Martha Roy widow. Effects £84 15s.

    Regarding Robert born c 1846’s baptism, I note that though Tynan Church of Ireland has complete baptism records for that period, Killylea COI only has records from 1845. The church was evidently open before that as there are other records from 1829. So it’s possible he was baptised there in say 1844, and the records are lost. 

    Does this help?

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Thursday 20th Jan 2022, 11:50AM
  • Hi Elwyn.

    This is a great help, thanks.

    This confirms some of my research, the Gillespie side of my family seems to just seems very hard to trace so it's great to see records too.
    I don't think the Isabella Gillespie was a relation to Robert unless I am corrected.
    Could you advise me how to find the generation before that?

    Thanks
    Jonathan

    Jonathan Gillespie

    Friday 21st Jan 2022, 12:06AM
  • Jonathan,

    You ask how to trace the family back further. The short answer is that it will be difficult, if the church the family attended has no records. There are few other records to consult, and you may have got as far as is possible. Many people come to a standstill in the early 1800s with Irish research because of the lack of records.

    You could engage a researcher to look at the Registry of Deeds in case there are leases or mortgages etc relating to the family, and you could search PRONI's e-catalogue (by name and townland) in case they have any relevant records.

    Possibly DNA testing may be a way of matching with others who have additional information about where the family originate. Family Tree DNA reportedly has more people with Ulster roots than any other company. That obviously increases the chances of finding a match. You might want to try them or, if you have already tested, you can transfer your results to them for no fee.

    The North of Ireland Family History Society is running an Ulster DNA project in conjunction with FTDNA and can offer testing kits at a reduced price.  http://www.nifhs.org (Go to DNA project on the website).

     

     

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 21st Jan 2022, 10:26AM
  • Thanks for your help it has been a great help. I am currently waiting on a DNA sample result to see where it leads too.
    Thanks
    Jonathan

    Jonathan Gillespie

    Saturday 22nd Jan 2022, 10:35PM

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