Robert McKinstry and Jane Waring

Here's a possible marriage record from www.rootsireland.ie/ (searched with surname variants rather than exact); annoyingly it doesn't have parents' names but the witness may have been a brother:

Date of Marriage:31-Mar-1831
Parish / District:Hillsborough
County:Co. Down
Husband
WifeName:RobertMcKinstry
JaneWarrenAddress:
Derraghy

Witness 1 JohnMcKinstry
Witness 2 JamesRogers

Name:Robert McKinstryDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:28-Jan-1805Address:Drumbo Parish Co DownParish/District:BlarisGender:
CountyCo. Antrim
Denomination:Church Of Ireland
Father:Thomas McKinstry

Name:Jane WarrenDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:04-Jan-1807Address:
Parish/District:ST ANNE'S, SHANKILLGender:FemaleCountyCo. Antrim
Denomination:Church of Ireland
Father:Samuel WarrenMother:Mary Warren

I couldn't find any siblings for Jane; here's a possible for Robert:

Name:William McKinstreyDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:27-May-1792Address:
Parish/District:DownGender:
CountyCo. Down
Denomination:Church Of Ireland
Father:Thomas McKinstreyMother:Margaret

Jane's parents' marriage:

Date of Marriage:25-Sep-1805
Parish / District:Trinity C of I
County:Co. Waterford
Husband
WifeName:Samuel MathewsWaring
MaryCarrollAddress:Parish Of Trinity
Parish Of TrinityDenomination:Church Of Ireland
Church Of Ireland

The 1851 Irish Census (free at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/) has 210 McKinstrys in Antrim but no Warrens / Warings

Grifiths Valuation (free at http://www.askaboutireland.ie/) has James McKinstry Derryaghy in 1862

TenantFamily Name 1MCKINSTRYForename 1JAMES

LandlordFamily Name 2HERTFORDForename 2MARQUIS OF

LocationCountyANTRIMBaronyMASSEREENE, UPPERUnionLISBURNParishDERRYAGHYTownlandWHITE MOUNTAINPlace NameWHITE MOUNTAINPlace TypeTOWNLAND

Publication DetailsPosition on Page
Printing Date1862Act15&16Sheet Number63,64

TenantFamily Name 1WARINGForename 1RICHARDLandlordFamily Name 2HERTFORDForename 2MARQUIS OFLocationCountyANTRIMBaronyBELFAST, UPPERUnionLISBURNParishDERRYAGHYTownlandAGHALISLONEPlace NameAGHALISLONEPlace TypeTOWNLANDPublication DetailsPosition on Page
Printing Date1862Act15&16Sheet Number64

You might want to try PRONI for early McKinstrys & Warings

In sum, Waring and Warren may have been a mistranscription or mispelling.

Elwyn is the Antrim expert so if you have concerns / questions post them and I'll see that he gest them

Col

Wow that is awesome.

Family stories say the Warings were rich dovers. I had read on how the Warings had traveled to the White Mountain area from further north. I had assumed that is how Jane and Robert meet as that put them both in Antrim. But I've never been able to find anything but the information on their first two children's marriages. When looking for a Robert McKInstry I only found one in Down and figured it was wrong so didn't go further on that line.

I thought they named their children after their parents so again figured I had the wrong family.

Is it common for a family to have moved from Down to Antrim in those days?

Thank you very much for all your time. I will do as you suggested.

Thanks again,

Linda

Me again,

I had this in my notes maybe it could piece things together, not sure.

About Jane Waring I had this. She was born in Lisburn Ireland of well to do drovers. (Cattle business)
There is a tithe of Robert Waring in Mullaglass Derryaghy Antrim Ireland dated Nov 1 1827

On one of the records for son James wedding her name is Ann McKinstry and on another it is Jane.

27th Annual Cattle Show
The following extract is from the Belfast Newsletter <http://www.newsletter.co.uk&gt;
dated 3rd August 1871 and appears with permission of the Belfast Newsletter.
The Belfast Newsletter reported on the 27th annual cattle show of Killultagh and Derryvolgie Farming Society which was held in the Grain Market, Lisburn on Thursday 27th July.
Prize List -
Class U - Best firkin, half firkin or crock of butter - farmers 1st prize - Robert Armstrong, White Mountain.
Extra Class - Milch cows for the mountain districts - farmers - 1st prize, Robert Armstrong, White Mountain; 2nd - John Waring, Derriaghy; 3rd Robert Armstrong, White Mountain.

Waring's in Mullaghglass 1856-1857: Edward, Henry, John Jr. John Sr, Philip. Richard, Robert, William. All born before 1837 and as early as 1800

Warings and McKinstrys lived less than a mile apart.

Also this note

On the 1858 Valuation of Ireland two McKnistry homes are recorded in Derryaghy, County Antrim, these being :

James Mc Kinstry  Junior           White Mountain         Derryaghy     Antrim
James Mc Kinstry  Senior.          White Mountain         Derryaghy     Antrim

These two men are father and son.
We cannot tell ages from this, but if we reasoned that James junior was say 35 ie born 1825 ish then his father James senior could be born c 1790 If they were even 10 years older then of course Robert could be a son of James McKinstry senior and brother to James junior. The townland is Whitemountain, 484 acres of rural countryside.

Found this as well, the two oldes kids marriages

Marriages                             
         Index 1856   Lisburn Book 7  page 125. Married at Registrar's Office, Lisburn,
4th August 1856    
John Cox   25   Batchelor      Farmer       Mullaghglass    Parish of Derriaghy
Ann McKinstry      23        Spinster      -           Mullaghglass    Parish of Derriaghy
                                                            His Father  Isaac Cox               Farmer
                                                            Her Father Robert McKinstry    Farmer
                                        Witnesses        Henry McKinstry & Margaret Steenson
                                                 Ann & Margaret both made their mark x
    
                                                                      o0o0o0o0o
        Index 1860    Lisburn 7 - 131
                    Married at Registrar's Office, Lisburn
    
  25th August 1860    Henry McKinstry   23      Batchelor        Farmer     Mullaghglass
                                    Mary Smylie          20      Spinster                -           Slievenacloy
                                                            His Father  Robert McKinstry    Farmer
                                                            Her Father  Henry Smylie          Farmer
                                        Witnesses    Mathew Waring & Sarah Smylie (her mark x)
 
                                                                      o0o0o0o0o  

This is one of Henry and Mary's children
 
    Birth
        Index 1868    Lisburn 16 - 594                                       Father                       Mother
        First Novr.        Phillip Waring McKinstry    Male    Henry McKinstry   Mary McKinstry formerly Smilie
         1868                                  Informant    Henry McKinstry     Ballycollin    Seventh Novr. 1868
         Ballycollin

                                                                    o0o0o0o0o  

Thanks again for all your help. I hope this helps peice things together.

Linda

Hi Linda

I'm not an Antrim expert but Hillsborough is only 12 miles from Belfast so could have been considered Down or Antrim?

Yes there was a lot of movement of people in that era - seeking work etc so movement Down to Antrim to be expected
Not everyone (esp Protestants) followed the Irish naming pattern so families can't be discounted on that basis.Name:

I couldn't find a James McKinstry with father James around 1825 or a James in 1790; no luck with Ann McK either.

Have you followed the evolution of the McK surname (possibly Irish Times website) to see its distribution in various counties/

Col

Thank you,

I found this.

Mckinstry Name Meaning

Northern Irish: Anglicized form of Gaelic Mac an Aistrigh, a simplified version of Mac an Aistrighthigh ‘son of the traveler’. The name is now largely confined to Ulster, but seems to have originated in Galloway (southwestern Scotland).

And also this one.

This is an anglicized form of the Olde Scots Gaelic name Mac An Aistrigh, a compound of the Gaelic elements "mac", meaning "so of", plus the definite article "an", and the personal\nickname Aistrigh (from "Aistreach", a traveller). The surname was originally chiefly found in Galloway and is first recorded there in the late 16th Century, (see below). A further variant M'Kinstrie appears in 1593. Today, the name is widespread in Northern Ireland, having been introduced by the Scottish settlers. On May 27th 1792, William son of Thomas and Mary McKinstry, was christened in Downpatrick, Co. Down, and on May 1st 1825 Martha, daughter of Ralph and Sarah McKinstry, was christened in Aghalee, Co. Antrim. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of M'Kynnistrie, which was dated 1574, Records of Galloway, during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I, Good Queen Bess, 1558 - 1603. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

Thanks for your help,

Linda