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My direct ancestors Richard Savage (b.abt.1800, d.1877) and Ellenor or Ellen Savage (nee Thompson) had a farm in Lisboy, Fermanagh.  They had 11 children, 10 of whom emigrated to Australia from around 1865.  Only one son, Andrew, remained behind.  Andrew married twice but had no children, hence there appears to be no members of this family surviving in Ireland today.

Information found on this site relating to this family include "Griffiths Valuation for 1862 lists a Richard Savage in Lisboy. He was on plot 8a which was a farmhouse, outbuildings and 34 acres. .... The tenant changes to Andrew Savage in 1877, probably indicating Richard had died. (There’s a death registered in Lisnaskea that fits for 1877, est. year of birth 1800). Andrew purchased the freehold of the Lisboy farm in 1890 and it remained in his name till John Noble purchased it in 1919. The farm today is on the Ashbrooke Rd, a few miles east of Tempo."

We have sighted a register of death for an Ellen Salvage noting date of death as 20 June 1875 at Colrakelly, District Bookboro, Union of Lisnaskea.  Witness to the death was Eliza Montgomery.  Ellen was aged 59 at time of death.  There is also an obituary noting the death of an Ellen Savage on the same date.

We have also sighted a registration of the death of a Richard Savage on 21 Jan 1877, aged 77 years at Lisboy. same District etc.  He was noted as Widower & Farmer. Informant was Andrew Savage (which we know was his son so we can be sure this is our Richard Savage).  An obituary states he was buried at Tempo.

They were of the Methodist religion.

Can anyone help us find the gravesites for these two, and any other information to confirm that the death record for Ellen was, in fact, our Ellen/Ellenor.  She was 16 years younger that her husband.  Was that the norm in those days?






Wednesday 1st December 2021, 03:34AM

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  • Lisboy & Coolrakelly share a common border, so the 1875 death was only a few hundred yards from the Savage farm in Lisboy. So I’d say it’s as likely as not that it is the right lady. Salvage will just be Savage mis-spelled.

    Regarding ages, yes people did often marry someone significantly younger. Notably farmers who often married later in life. Could also be a second marriage for him too. That might be another factor. Bear in mind that no documentary proof of age was required. The information on death certificates was generally just the informant’s best guess.  People generally didn’t celebrate birthdays in Ireland in the 1800s and often had no real idea of their age. It was common for the age given for someone in their 70s or 80s to be out by anything up to 10 years.

    This might be the Eliza Montgomery who was the informant for Ellen’s death:

    If the family were buried in Tempo and were Methodist, I’d try Tempo Church of Ireland. Few Methodist halls had graveyards and they tended to use the Church of Ireland. (They had all been COI originally anyway, plus COI graveyards were open to all denominations).

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Wednesday 1st December 2021, 10:30AM
  • Thank you so much Elwyn, much appreciated.  I will follow up on the Church of Ireland in Tempo.


    Wednesday 1st December 2021, 10:41PM