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Hello there Folks ,

 I am  currently researching my 3 x Great grandmother Matilda (Smylie ) Mulholland of Eden , Portglenone ,Co Derry

New information has come to light regarding her death so hopefully that will shed some light on her .

 We have found a death entry for a Matty Muholland  4 /7 /1893 aged 88 

In her husband Andrew's will she is named as Martha , but on the land transfer after his death in 1877 she is recorded as Matilda. 

My Great great  grandmothers  ( Sarah Mulholland ) death certicate states her  mothers name as Matilda Smylie. 

One of my great great uncles was named Smylie Mulholland .

As the Mulhollands lived in the townland of Eden , Portglenone , Co .Derry  it is a possibility that the Smylie family may have been in Co Antrim or even Co. Down .

Any information would be greatly appreciated .

Kind regards,

 Sarah Johnston 

 Brisbane , Australia

Sarah Johnston

Thursday 20th May 2021, 03:30AM

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  • Sarah:

    I could not tell from your message whether you had a copy of the actual death entry for Matty Mulholland, Here is the link. The second record son James is the informant.   https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retur...

    I searched the subscription site Roots Ireland for all of Ireland and the earliest Martha Smylie baptismal record was in 1824 in Co. Down.  Too late for your Martha  All of the Martha Smylie baptismal records listed were from either Down or Antrim.

    I also searched under Matilda but the earliest record was in 1868.

    Roger McDonnell

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Thursday 20th May 2021, 03:38PM
  • Hello Roger ,

     Thank you for your efforts .

    Sorry I did have a copy of the church entry and am awaiting a death cert from Ireland.

    Is Matty /Mattie a common diminutive  for Martha ? I am wondering whether she was called Matty as an abreviation for Matilda but the folk who wrote the will changed it to Martha to make it sound more legal  ???

    Is there anyway of finding out where she would be buried ? As far as we know  she wasn't buried with her husband at the church at Innisrush ( St Nossonsus ) as the headstone only had his and his parents name on it back in 1939.

    The headstone has since been removed .

     Kind regards 

     Sarah J 

     Brisbane

    Sarah Johnston

    Friday 21st May 2021, 06:57AM
  • Sarah,

    Matty & Martha are interchangeable in Ireland. My mother in law was Martha but sometimes known as Matty or Massie. 

    I wouldn’t assume that Matty Mulholland is not buried with her husband just because her name doesn't appear on the (now removed) gravestone. Many families just never got around to updating gravestones to record additional deaths.

    Smilie Mulholland’s marriage in 1883:

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_ret...

    Family in 1901:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Claudy/Eden...

    Smylie Mulholland death in 1918:

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05198/4436201.pdf

    Sadly the early baptism records for Tamlaght O’Crilly were list in the 1922 fire in Dublin.

    The Smylie family could certainly have come from some distance away but most farmers and labourers married locally. Most courting was done on foot, and they didn’t have the opportunity to court a woman who lived 30 miles away, particularly before the arrival of the bicycle in rural Ireland (1860s). I’d expect them to have lived within 5 to 10 miles of Eden. I notice there was a James Smiley in Ballymore (Tamlaght O’Crilly) in the 1831 census, so that’s one possibility.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Friday 21st May 2021, 02:28PM
  • Thank you Elwyn . I did wonder whether the family might have just "popped her in" the grave and as you say & didn't get around to updating the headstone  !! 

    Yes, Smylie Mulholland is her  son ... I have made contact with his family on both trips to Ireland ,so thats been hugely exciting .

     I will follow up the James Smiley lead . Many thanks for your help again . 

     Kind regards, 
     Sarah J 

     Brisbane 

    Sarah Johnston

    Sunday 23rd May 2021, 09:42AM
  • Hello there Elwyn  - just  enquiring about the James Smiley  you found  in 1831 census  Ballymore , Tamlaght O Çrilly  -

    I cannot find a record for him in the National archives ...can you kindly forward a link .

    Many thank Sarah J

    Sarah Johnston

    Tuesday 25th May 2021, 01:25AM
  • Here he is:

    2 males, 3 females all Church of Ireland:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Kennaught/Tamlaght_Finlagan/Ballymore/40/

    The family isn’t in the 1826 tithes for Tamlaght Finlagan so probably not a farmer.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 25th May 2021, 09:35AM
  • Thanks so much Elwyn . I obviously wasn't holding my mouth the right way ! Lol . Cheers Sarah J

    Sarah Johnston

    Wednesday 26th May 2021, 10:20PM