Sorry to bother, but again I can not decipher this Kerry townland in a Duagh baptismal record. Looks like Beinagre? Thank you! Margaret Bradley
MBradley
Tuesday 10th Dec 2024, 03:57PMMessage Board Replies
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Can you tell me what month and year this is as there are a number of Matthew Dillanes in Duagh.
Regards,
Carolyn
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Carolyn,
Can you post the record showing "
Patricia
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"Beinagre"? thanks.
Patricia
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Patricia,
MBradley posted the link in her query, not me. I'm not sure it is a town land at all....that is why I asked for the month and year so I can look on other sources.
Carolyn
Carolyn
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Sorry - the baptism of this Matthew is 17 Aug 1829. Some of the other potential children of this couple are born in Derrindaffe which is why I'm wondering if this a child of Matthew Dillane/Kissane
But a potential problem - a possible first child, Mary, baptized 9 Aug 1819, lists mother as Johanna, and the mother for a possible son John baptized 24 Feb 1822 is clearly written as Maria but then transcribed as Johanna? Other children b 1824-1832 all seem to be Maria. Thank you!
MBradley
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Margaret,
First off, when I click on the NLI link to view the microfilm of Matthew's baptism, I do not see it at all; although I see your attachment in your first post. So, not sure on him, but Roots Ireland has his birth on 17 Aug 1829 with parents Matthew Dillane and Mary Culhane. I did not find any other children for this couple with these names, but I did find five children on Roots Ireland for Matthew Dillane and Joanna Kissane:
Mary (Aug 1819), John (Feb 1822), Catherine (Aug 1824), Mary (Apr 1827), and Patrick (1832). I am not sure why Roots transcribed the mother's name as Johanna because in two original parish records (Mary, 1827 and Patrick, 1832) it shows Maria. That is very strange. The other original records were too hard for me to decipher, sorry! I've heard that sometimes the mother and female sponsor's names got mixed up when recording the information.
Can you post the entire image of Matthew's baptism in context with the other records...ie. the entire page? For three of the children, it looks like some version Derrindaffe as the town land. If I had to guess, I'd say that Matthew fits into this family.
Regards,
Carolyn
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Attached FilesBaptisms.jpg.JPG (1.48 MB)
Yes Carolyn - I found the transcription from a clear Maria to Johanna perplexing too especially as first daughter clearly says Johanna. Here's the whole page hopefully. Thank you!
Hmm It's not letting me attach the file. I will try again
MBradley
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Attached Filesvtls000634298_074_0.jpg (1.46 MB)
Margaret,
I have attached the register page for the RC parish of Duagh, August 1829. As you can see, it is different from yours. This page is what shows up on the link in Roots Ireland as well as on the NLI Catholic Parish registers for Duagh in 1829, August. Are you certain that your attachment is from Duagh?
Regards,
Carolyn
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Margaret,
Ignore my last question as it is Duagh...I input another name from that register into Roots Ireland, and it comes up as Duagh...just so odd our two different results. And, I am no help on that town land name you were wondering about!
Carolyn
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Ok thanks! - I guess it's just another anomaly but there are plenty of those. I think it looks like Culhane because of the way they used an f-like symbol for double s (ss) back in the day, which often looks like an l or h or both. I'm going to assume he's one of the kids! Thanks again.
MBradley
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Margaret,
I agree! One thing that I like to do in my own family research...if you have the interest and time, that is, is try to find his death record - if he died post 1871 that is. That way you can see the name of the place where he died. It is easier to find a male record than a female due to no name change...unless he emigrated from that area, of course. Searching for a marriage record might work too, provided that he married.
Regards,
Carolyn
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Attached FilesMatthew Dillane marriage 1860.jpg (1.68 MB)
I found an 1860 marriage record for a Matthew Dillane from Derrindaff to a Bridget Guerin. One of the witnesses was John Dillane. Maybe your man? Third entry down on the right side of the page.
Regards,
Carolyn
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Yes - that is my guy, but I am trying to assign a number of Matthew's born around the same time and place. Because he was married Derrindaffe- I hoped his baptism would be as clear as other kids in this family with correct town etc - but it wasn't! Then - Matthew & Bridget had their kids and died in Gortacloghane so that's not very helpful either, in terms of confirming he's from the Derrindaffe family. Further complication - I think *she's* from Derrindaffe (possible mother Margaret Geran d 1882, Derrindaffe), so he might be from Gortacloghane where another Matthew's family is. But - it usually locks into place at some point. Thanks!
MBradley