Good day:)
I'm on a number of Boards in southern Ireland. Kilkenny,Waterford,Tipperary,Cork.
I've hit a brick wall with my gggrandfather Michael Tobin born ca 1836 in Ireland, but despite extensive online searching STILL do not have positive ID on his birth place , parish etc.
Michael's wife is given as Mary Ellen Callaghan but records in US at this time are either missing online, or my search techniques somehow miss them:(
All I truly know is that he has one son James Buchanan Tobin born in August of 1862, who grew up in the Yorkville section on the upper east side of Manhattan.In the 1870 US Census I found a James Tobin age 8 livig with an uncle Tim O'Sullivan in Brroklyn. He's also in the 1875 NY Census with the same family if I recall properly.
From James B Tobin who married Catherine Kelly in 1885 I have lots of info.
I don't see Michael or his mother mentioned in articles on family weddings, birth notices etc, and can't find any definite siblings, which is most strange for an Irish family:) Love to hear from those searching Tobin kin in Ireland and New York in the 19th century. Slainte. Frank T
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Tuesday 30th Jun 2020, 11:32AMMessage Board Replies
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Hello dear cousin sibling
I'm Tobiah Michael Tobin an Irish born.
Like You I too have and still am searching for our ancestors & forefathers.
It seems that most stop at our Norman
ancestors who came to both Britain and Ireland during or following the Norman conquests.
Known as Albino Albine Aubyn Aubin de saint Aubin to name a few from many.
From there onwards we settled in Devon
England, Scotland and throughout Ireland
Mainly Kilkenny Tipperary Waterford
Cork and later in neighbouring Limerick
and also Kerry.
Later to Dublin and throughout all Ireland.
From my own research it seems that at least 50% of all living Tobin's in Ireland left to America Canada Australia Britain
even India around the time of the Irish famine approximately 1845 and such.
My own family stayed behind and lived.
I'm one of many thousands of us alive in Ireland and abroad today.
You'll find the same issues as every other Tobin who's researching
Most of our ancestors seemed to of having the same names from father to son and uncle to nephew etc
Till only recently we always used the same names which can confuse most
when trying to search for individuals.
Now that all of that is half explained.
I will tell You about a better but much tougher search regarding us Tobin's.
Earliest mention of our namesake I found
was yes Ireland and Britain due to the Norman conquests and settlements.
Earliest mention of our actual family name was in Hebrew as Toviyah
Tovi Toviyyah Tovi Tov amongst others.
Next mention of our namesake was in Lithuania Latvia Ukraine all under the Russian empire at that time.
Usually Tobakin Toben etc etc
Later persecuted slaughtered and ran out of eastern Europe.
Another mention of our early namesake
was in Portugal and Spain as El Maleh
Used as our namesakes name at that time.
Which also happens to be the exact name
of a very sad Hebrew burial song
called El Maleh.
Of course there too we went from been accepted to been slaughtered and ran out.
It seems our ancestors went through alot
in every nation we've every tried to be apart of yet we still somehow survived
and going by our birth numbers alone
We've certainly multiplied and spread far.
Eventually you'll run into a rock sold wall
regarding searching for our forefathers
But you'll find plenty of tips and hints
of who we may very well be.
Even in the old testament and new testament gospels a few of our namesakes
are mentioned, one as a half Jew who couldn't prove his Jewish ancestry while living amongst the Jews while secretly helping others who were plotting to prevent the building of the second temple.
Yes unexpected and weird I know.
Then in another mention our namesake
is Tobit in the book of Tobit a man on a journey to help heal his father's blindness
Helped on his journey by a man he didn't realise was the actual Angel of G-d
Raphael.
I wish You well on your research
It'll take You many years going back and forth.
But if You ask me I believe we came from either Jews who settled in and around the Baltic and later spread out throughout all of Europe and later the entire western world and beyond.
Us in Ireland have been Catholic since the beginning of the Catholic church
So finding an actual Jew converting to Catholicism is impossible and non existent.
But history shows that the pope's and church slaughtered most Jews and non Christians who wouldn't convert.
The Spanish inquisition and the Russian attacks just to name the most notable.
I wish You success in finding your more recent ancestors, between Ireland and Britain you should be able to find him or them.
I found all of my own grandfather's
and great grandfathers and such
as far back as 1740.
All with the same names as I've said before
Timothy
John c
Timothy
John
James
John
Then it got a bit stranger
Father of John
James ex Jacobus
His father Thoma
I linked both James/Jacobus and Thoma
to Lithuanian Jews 1690/1750
All of them had brothers named Michael
same for the females, Margret
Bridget Theresa Hanorah Maria Mary
Esther Judith etc etc hundreds of Tobin families all with identical names.
I'll be doing a DNA ancestry kit soon
I'll post You what else I discover.
Best wishes regarding your own search.
Love and kindest of regards from Ireland
Strength and Godliness be with You and Yours
irishworkhorse28@gmail.comGoodness of G-d
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I am a great-great-great grandson of Michael Tobin, (father of James Buchanan Tobin) and I haven't been able to find out anything on him either, other than his birthdate. (I live in the states and have found out all I could from ancestry.com) Now as for James Buchanan Tobin, I know the birthdate, death, and other dry facts about his occupations, places of residence, and offspring, but my most prized knowledge is about the man HIMSELF, communicated to me by my father, who was his grandson, and who JBT used to give advice to and take around N.Y.C by the hand when my dad was only an adolescent to teenager (circa the 1920's to early 30's)
So I know some "stories" about him personally. My father absolutely WORSHIPPED him as he was larger than life, albeit only 5'4. Suffice to say, for now, dad said James Tobin was the "toughest bastard he ever saw". ("bastard" intended affectionally, of course). He was a professional boxer in the 1880's among other things.
I'll be checking back to see if there is any other info on Michael Tobin that develops. In the meantime, I'm glad to have found this website and look forward to making friends - possibly among some distant relatives also?
thanks,
Chris Z.
Chris