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Though this townland is listed on John Grenham's website as being located in Kilbeagh Civil Parish, there is no Griffith's record or Census Record. Does anyone know where in Kilbeagh it is located?  Perhaps an alternate name or other Townland it was incorporated under?

Kelly Hunt

Tuesday 13th October 2020, 01:56PM

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  • Although the Catholic parish of Kilbeagh is entirely within County Mayo, it appears that a part of the civil parish of Kilbeagh is across the border in Roscommon, and Currinah appears to be in that bit of the civil parish.  You can see morre info about Currinah here:

     https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/costello/kilbeagh/ballaghaderreen/cur...

    If you move around the little interactive map at that site, you can see that Currinah is just down the road to the east of the town of Charlestown, which is in Mayo.  The boundaries of the counties (and civil parishes) have changed from time to time over the years, and I seem to recall someone here (probably Roger McDonnell) mentioning boundary changes in the 1800's in that area where Mayo and Roscommon border one another.

    That link has further links to records in Griffith's Valuation and the 1901 and 1911 censuses, and I see that you're right that Currinah is not found in Griffith's Valuation (or the link may be broken), although it is found in the 1901 census (but not the 1911 census).  There were also changes over time in what was considered a townland, and it may be that Currinah was more of a "sub-townland" in the past (a local name for an area, not used officially), though it seems to be recognized now.  The site also has links to info on the neighboring townlands, and perhaps what is now Currinah was in the past considered part of one of those townlands.  However, their links to Griffith's Valuation are also not working, and the message is not the usual one, but instead an error message saying that the page cannot be found, which is why I said that there may be a broken link to the Griffith's Valuation records.

    You may already know this, but the Catholic parish records for Kilbeagh (going back to 1845 for marriages, and 1855 for baptisms) can be found at this link:

    https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0126

    kevin45sfl

    Tuesday 13th October 2020, 06:30PM
  • Thanks Kevin.

    Kelly Hunt

    Thursday 15th October 2020, 01:10AM
  • My Gallagher Family are from Currinah (Ballaghadereen, Roscommon)

     

    May I ask who you are researching?

     

    Here are the National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911 for Currinah (Ballaghadereen, Roscommon) https://buff.ly/3nWf7cW

     

    here are the National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911  for Currinah (Ballaghadereen, Roscommon) https://buff.ly/2XU4YTi

     

    Here are the Griffiths Valuation of Ireland - Kilbeagh, County Mayo http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/z/zoomifyDynamicViewer.php?file=...

     

    And Here in plain text https://buff.ly/2XUGvgA 

     

     

    Jon Ferrara

    Tuesday 19th January 2021, 01:53AM
  • Hello Jon,

    My research took me to Currinah when trying to find the family of a Patrick Gordon. Patrick Gordon was a occupier in Townland Foughil(1858) and the Gordon name persists to the 1901 Census. Foughil is where my Kelly ancestors were also occupiers.

    This thread of research started when exploring the Catharine Kelly profile on the Loughglynn page. She married into the Gordon family. Thanks for the links. Kelly Hunt

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Kelly Hunt

    Tuesday 19th January 2021, 05:12PM
  • Hi, Jon!  I thought I would pop back into this exchange when I got notice of the latest posts, and saw your mention of Gallagher relatives in Currinah.  My Gallagher line comes from a few miles to the west in Swineford and Killedan (Kiltimagh) parishes in Mayo.  Any connections over there?

    -- Kevin

    kevin45sfl

    Tuesday 19th January 2021, 10:52PM
  •  

    Hi Kevin

    I seem to have tagged Kiltimagh as a family place but I don't have the detail at hand. Do you have a Gallagher tree I can have a look at? Happy to share mine.

    btw I love your Detailed posts 

    Jon Ferrara

    Tuesday 20th April 2021, 03:52AM
  • Hi, Jon.  One of my grandfathers, a Gallagher, grew up in Kiltimagh, and I have a family tree posted at the Wikitree site which traces my Gallagher's back to around 1800:

    https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Jewell-Family-Tree-1523

    If you see a possible connection there, feel free to send me a message at that site and we can connect directly.

     

    kevin45sfl

    Tuesday 20th April 2021, 08:51PM
  • Hi Kevin

     

    I didn't see an immidiete connection with your Kiltimagh ancesters but your gedmatch showed we share about 16CM DNA my Gedmatch is #YF7699826

     

    BTW Now that I have your educated attention maybe you can assist me with a townland name that's been nagging at me?

    Note that these two Gallagher ancesters of mine show they were born in a townland named - "Curolia" 

    https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61039/images/04223_05_0...

    https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61039/images/04223_05_0...

     

    But the rest were born in a townland named - Currinah, Ballaghaderreen, County Mayo, Ireland

    https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61039/images/04223_05_0...

     

    Can you help me find Curolia? I can't locate it anywheres...

    Here is Currinah - https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/costello/kilbeagh/ballaghaderreen/cur...

     

    Thx

    Jon

     

     

     

    Jon Ferrara

    Wednesday 21st April 2021, 08:24PM
  • Hello Jon and Kevin,

    I eventually was able to locate Currinah in Griffiths, I see there are a number of Gallaghers in its record. I searched Griffiths using surname Gordon, forename Thomas, County Mayo, Parish: Kilbeagh(part of). Then Currinah was evident.

    Jon you could do the same using Gallagher, Thomas, County Mayo, Kilbeagh(part of). You do have the link for searching Griffiths I trust.

    Kelly

     

     

    Kelly Hunt

    Thursday 22nd April 2021, 08:33PM
  • Not sure what to tell you, John.  There are places named Curraghlea, but nowhere in that parish (or nearby), and the place presumably must be in that parish.  Townland names have sometimes changed over the years, and there are also what are sometimes referred to as "sub-townlands", which locals use for a particular area which is not a formal townland.  The priest may have used such a name, not knowing that it wasn't an officlal townland name.

    We're obviously distantly related, but it's far enough back that a paper trail won't be found.  In case you don't already know this, the surname Gallagher is believed to have originated separately in Mayo and Donegal, and is still found principally there and in neighboring counties.  In Irish, Gallagher is Ó Gallchobhair (modern Irish spelling Ó Gallchúir), and it means “descendant of the foreign help”, referring to a mercenary warrior brought in from Scotland or elsewhere in Ireland to fight in local wars (known as a gallóglach, or “gallowglass”).  It may also refer to Norse ancestors, since the term "gall" was used for them as well.  That is the root word in the name Galway (Gaillimh in Irish).  Galway town was founded by the Vikings, and a DNA study a few years ago showed a significant percentage of Norse ancestry in Mayo and Galway.

    kevin45sfl

    Friday 23rd April 2021, 07:54PM
  • Hi Kelly and Kevin,

     

    I created a Google Doc with all of the people living in Griffiths Valuation of Ireland - Kilbeagh, County Mayo - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KbvVSGTvSsKc3eQdh3tCzvuc77DTwELc/view?u...

     

    You can use this to sort on name and townland.

     

    Pls make a copy before you try to sort or edit.

     

    Thx

     

    Jon

     

    Jon Ferrara

    Monday 7th June 2021, 05:25PM
  • Thanks Jon, your document provides a different and more complete perspective. The inset of townland Currinah is helpful. Much of my focus lies in Kilbeagh. From Currinah to Gowel and Gowlaun my hunt continues for the Kelly, Hunt and Gordon families.

     

     

     

     

    Kelly Hunt

    Wednesday 9th June 2021, 02:04AM
  • Kelly

     

    Do you have a link to your ancestry tree you can share with me? 

     

    Also have you tested your DNA? Mine is on Ancestry and GEDmatch YF7699826

     

    Best

     

    Jon

    Jon Ferrara

    Wednesday 9th June 2021, 02:27PM